No, just pull.
It's okay, he bought some aftermarket thermal compound for better temps /s
Three fans should be fine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmkmluAYAQ
You might be able to make your GPU slightly cooler by adding a fan in the front of the case which blows air across the GPU, but otherwise you likely won't see much difference at all by adding more than three fans.
For my build, it would probably be fine with only the front fans for pulling air across the radiator and the 140mm fan pushing air out the back of the case. The two top fans are there for aesthetics as much as any other reason :)
Instead of chastising you for your component choices, I'll make a different recommendation - play some modern AAA games! Witcher 3 and DOOM (2016) will look great on this setup and will make great use of that GTX 1080.
This setup will also do very well with design work, although how much CPU & GPU is needed will vary by program.
I can respect that. Doesn't get much better than doing your own testing.
I don't mean to cause an argument, but I'd like to know where you saw 0-3 FPS gain in performance. Here is a video comparing the 6500 to a 6600k which shows 8%+ FPS gains before overclocking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0tN_n5ek1Y. Of course, it depends on the game, but the video still shows at least 5+ FPS gains across modern games.
I can agree that there are extra costs associated with the overclocking motherboard and cooler. This is why I mentioned that a 30%+ boost in clock speed is expected from an overclocked 6600k. Running a 6600k at stock would be a poor financial decision.
See OP's comments above - this is a mod, not the S340 pro.
"I believe K cpus are a waste of money. The extra performance you get is really bad."
I find this to be an interesting statement. Currently on PCP, a 6600 is $215 at 3.3 GHz while a 6600k is $228 at 3.5 GHz. Mathematically, that equates to a 6% increase in clock speed and a 6% increase in price. That's not to mention that I've seen 6600k processors up at 4.3+ GHz, which is a 30% increase over the 6600.
I understand that clock speed alone doesn't indicate processing speed, but I would still defend the k-series as "worth it", at least in this scenario.
The star of the show here is not the watercooled 1080. No, it's not the 3440x1440 IPS monitor either.
That's a $1400 chair hiding in the foreground.
I'm curious why you included pictures #12, #16, and #17. I believe that the album wouldn't be missing anything without those particular pictures, so I'm interested to hear why you included them.
Wow, this is an amazing build & setup. If he puts as much effort into the videos as was put into this build, he'll go far!
This discussion has devolved because you continue to argue points based on exceptions and cherry-picking. Your car argument is WAY oversimplified: "cars produce harmful fumes, therefore we should criticize driving cars" is not an analogous argument here.
Cars bring a NET positive benefit to society, meaning they bring more positive consequences than negative consequences. The same cannot be said for cigarettes; there is absolutely no way that you can defend smoking tobacco as a NET positive gain to society, and this is why people shun cigarettes.
Sure, there are minor negative health effects even for things like exercise. However, that's negligible compared to the net positive gain for your health from performing exercise.
This isn't about picking and choosing sides. You're picking and choosing which risks and odds to acknowledge and which to ignore, which positive/negative consequences to acknowledge and which to ignore. It doesn't work like that; you have to account for all the positives and negatives, all the risks and benefits, everyone who is affected.
I have a few important rebuttals here.
"But who are any of you to criticize what other people do?"
I agree that it's not necessary to criticize others' personal choices, but only if those personal choices only have personal effects.
Smoking results in second-hand smoke and pollution. Second-hand smoke is well-researched and documented to increase health risks in others. Furthermore, the fumes have environmental effects and (for many smokers) cigarette butts are litter. These effects are an important distinction when comparing smoking to obesity.
A second important distinction between obesity and smoking is the potential consequences of "shaming". Body shaming can easily result in unintended consequences against those who are healthy and "heavy" (e.g. football players). This shaming can lead to eating and mental disorders in individuals who were otherwise healthy. Weight is measured on a spectrum.
In contrast, smoking is pretty much absolute: either you smoke or you don't. Yes, even "light" smokers will face significant health risks in the long-term. The only way to avoid these risks is simple: don't smoke. That's much easier to define than "don't be fat," which depends on height, weight, age, genetics, lean mass, and more.
"...but smokers are the punching bags for blind criticism for literally no reason at all."
I explained above that smoking has effects on society, which is why society strongly discourages smoking. Let me ask this question: what are the reasons to be a smoker in the first place? Does it make you feel cooler? Does it make you feel good? Is it fun or satisfying? As far as most of society is concerned, it's a baseless activity with no net positive personal or societal benefits, even in small quantities, driven by addiction.
"It's not a guarantee and people shouldn't treat it as such."
The negative health effects are many and diverse. Everything from artery hardening, tooth decay, and decreased lung capacity to cancer and lung disease. The probability of avoiding all of these consequences approaches 0%. It's perfectly reasonable to discourage someone from betting on those odds.
Smoking and assuming that you'll be the exception that will live a healthy, long life is like shooting yourself in the face and assuming you'll somehow live a normal life. You're betting on really bad odds for no apparently great reason, not to mention that your betting creates second-hand smoke and cigarette butt litter that affects the rest of society. Seems totally justifiable to discourage that.
This debate is continuing on a computer building website because this level of ignorance is unacceptable on any forum.
Here is a reference to another CDC fact sheet: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/
"Life expectancy for smokers is at least 10 years shorter than for nonsmokers.1,2"
Yes, it's possible that whatever 96-year-old you mentioned (but, ironically, didn't provide a source for) may have died due to causes unrelated to smoking. However, thisunami stated that this person "could" have lived longer, depending on the individual's cause of death.
Regardless, using one example absolutely does not defend smoking as a healthy or even health-neutral activity. There are millions and millions of examples of men and women who have died prematurely due to smoking-related activity.
Yes, you can have good lifestyle habits (exercise, diet) and also be a smoker, so in that regard you are correct: smoking doesn't always equate to an unhealthy body in the present. However, smoking itself is an unhealthy lifestyle choice that will lead to severe long-term health consequences.
Just to stay relevant to the forum, it's also well-known that the particles from smoking will accumulate as dirt and grime in electronics very quickly, so unless the user is very diligent with cleaning, smoking is unhealthy for PCs, too.
A 65" TV? That could be pretty cool - Youtuber Barnacles has a pretty cool setup with 50" Samsung TVs used as monitors. If you did your homework on what TV specs you need for a good monitor experience, that could be a pretty cool setup.
Yeah, that mouse positioning is going to cause some serious wrist & arm strain /s
I suspect that OP built this computer for more than gaming; playing games across two monitors is impractical at best.
Agreed that the monitors are a strange choice. I can understand wanting two of the same monitor for aesthetic reasons without breaking the bank, but I personally wouldn't want a monitor with ppi this low (82).
I also agree that investing in a single great monitor could be a better choice than multiple good monitors, depending on the use case. Maybe a x34 supplemented by two 16:9 1080p screens? Of course, this would definitely add to the total price a bit.
Looks like a great system overall. I especially appreciate the quality peripherals.
I second the monitor upgrade; a GTX 1080 should max literally everything at 1080p, 60 Hz.
A good pair of 1440p monitors will probably cost at least $250 each (http://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=256001440&sort=a8&page=1), so you might have to save up a bit for that. However, the upgrade will be totally worth it.
Alternatively, you could probably replace one of your current monitors with a 1080p, 144 Hz monitor for around $200 (http://pcpartpicker.com/product/PmyFf7/acer-monitor-umfg6aab01) for a smoother gaming experience. Many modern PC games allow you to go past 60 Hz, so this might be a less expensive way to harness more of your GPU's power.
This website never fails to complain about typical red & black builds. OP said it best: "I chose red and black cause it seemed easier to find parts for..."
Apparently it runs at 15 degrees Celcius at idle, too. OP must live in a dank cave to get those temperatures. Or, perhaps, underneath a dank rock, where an FX-6300 is viable. That would also explain why the pictures are blurred.
Of course you can, as long as your twist ties are large enough, especially for the 24-pin motherboard cable.
Hello! First off, thank you for the compliments!
In my opinion, cable-management is the most difficult and time-consuming part of a good build (aside from choosing parts). It's going to take time, patience, cable-ties (I prefer zip-ties), and some good creativity to hide away as many cables as possible, as neatly as possible.
The biggest factor in determining your cable management potential is your case. I'm not personally familiar with the Corsair Spec Alpha, but since it's a modern case (released this year) and seems to be a good mid-tower case, you should have plenty of good options for cable management.
The next biggest factor towards cable management is the number of parts. For example, I replaced my internal optical drive with an external optical drive to save on cables inside the case. I'm also currently running only one storage drive, and when I add a second, I will add it to the back of the case where the drive & its cables will be completely hidden.
Aside from that, it's simply a matter of routing cables around the back of the case and exposing as little cabling as possible. If a particular cable won't reach around the back, consider buying a cable extension for that particular cable so that it can reach. Fans should be oriented so that no more wire is used than necessary. Consider wiring the 8-pin CPU connector up the right side on the back of the case to avoid creating too much clutter up the middle of the back. Your case doesn't have a power supply shroud, but the window is pretty high, so keep all those cables near the bottom of the case as you route them to the back panel. Don't be afraid to route cables through the hard-drive cage, or remove the hard-drive cage completely if not in use.
Hope this helps! Every case is somewhat different with cable management, but if you follow a minimizing mindset (minimum exposed wiring, minimum distance, minimum number of cables), you'll do well.
Wow, I love it! The custom painting looks great, well done :) Glad I could inspire a fellow builder!
For compatibility reasons, I got Cablemod cable combs from www.performance-pcs.com, the same website where I got the cables themselves. Hope that helps.
For what it's worth, if I needed new cable combs, I would go for something like IceModz cable combs - they're difficult to get on, but they look much more sleek IMO:
It's a great case that deserves great cable-management, even the case fans. Thankfully, the case has the acclaimed interior of the Phanteks Evolv ATX with plenty of opportunity for clean cable management. Good luck!
Thank you very much, I'm humbled.
Just as a heads up, Phanteks literally just announced a tempered-glass version of the Enthoo Pro M at Computex 2016. If I were you, I would try to wait for that to release, although I don't know anything about the release date. The only mention you'll find anywhere online is in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74SeqddDTdc
Anyways, good luck with the build, and feel free to ask if you have any questions or need some advice and I'll try to help in any way I can :)
How do you like the DXRacer chair? Was it worth the price? How did you choose that one in particular?
The highest honor, I appreciate it.
Good luck, I look forward to it!
Yes, it does have clearance for an optical drive with that 240mm radiator installed. In fact, I had one in this build when it was first completed, but I removed it because I didn't like how it looked and didn't want to deal with the extra cables since I rarely use it.
Not really original, but definitely executed better than its inspiration. Good job, OP.
That GPU is SO BEAUTIFUL. The sag in picture 10 makes me a little sad...
Haha best name I could think of at the time of writing this. Thank you for the compliments :)
I bought what I could afford when I needed it, which was back in January. This was actually a great deal for a 980Ti back then, and I didn't want to wait 6+ months for Pascal cards. I suspect I'll upgrade for big pascal, while the 980Ti still has some value.
Agreed, very happy with it :)
Thank you! I chose white LEDs for that very reason - it's easy to overdo the red on these builds, and red LEDs tend to over-saturate everything in red. I'm very happy with the color balance, and it's good to hear someone agree with me on that aspect.
Yes please, it looks so much better. I'd also like to see some custom cables & nice cable management on a system this expensive - that would be no more difficult than putting a cherry on top, but makes such a huge difference.
I'm not discounting AMD. I'd love for them to break out this generation, but nothing is guaranteed until the components are in the hands of the consumers and benchmarked. The reason I only mentioned Intel & NVIDIA is because we know that their future products will be better than the current-gen products, which are currently the top products. AMD still has more to prove, and we won't know if they can take a stand as a top-end competitor until they put something impressive in our hands.
Sure, that's a pretty valid point. However, we're talking about pretty small subsets now. The population of people willing to put together his/her own PC is pretty small to begin with, relative to the total number of computers being used. The population of people willing to go with multi-GPU setups is a small population within that small population. Your point about crossfire is valid, and it would make sense to see more AMD-based builds so that old GPUs can be utilized in future builds, but the fact is that issues with multi-GPU setups and weaker top-level power compared to NVIDIA discourages most from taking that strategy. That's not to mention new info that Dx12 should support any multi-GPU setup, even across AMD and NVIDIA. I would expect GPU technology to continue in that direction, unless NVIDIA works against it.
New builds tend to contain the latest hardware, and AMD can't really compete in the top-end consumer market on either CPU or GPU currently. When Pascal releases, you'll see lots of 6700k + 1080 builds, and when 7700k releases, you'll see lots of 7700k + 1080 builds, especially from people willing to share their builds on an enthusiast website like this one.
It would be ridiculous for someone with a large budget to choose the Fury X over the 980Ti just to be different. It might be nice to see more x99 builds, but I can think of a few reasons why someone would choose z170 over x99:
1) x99's biggest features are 6+ core CPUs and more PCI lanes, which most builders don't need.
2) z170 has better SSD, USB, and DX12 support, which are relevant features when discussing future prospects of the chipset.
Sure, it might seem repetitive, but you really shouldn't expect any different until AMD offers some decent competition on the high end.
You missed his point. He was asking, "why not go with the Z170 chipset and Skylake?" A 6600K and Z170 board would cost almost exactly the same as the 4690k and Z97, but he would have better performance and he would have a newer chipset with some room for upgrades because future processors will be made for the LGA 1151 socket.