that model has a lower factory overclock speed then some of the other models which causes it to have a few less FPS. (setting the custom overclocking speed higher can fix this) however the price is much lower, and the fanoff option is a huge plus.
Despite the lower clock speeds you will be able to get 60fps on all games on close to max settings. meaning no useless hair textures.
i understand what you mean that you have to try and compare the same brand, but that is not how it works when you are trying to compare two different items entirely.
essentially you can argue that the 390 has slightly better performance than the 970 and with direct x12 is better. however it doesn't matter because if you can get one significantly cheaper on sale then you can't compare price to performance differences. it also doesn't matter which vendor is selling them.
Also with what you are talking about you can't even compare MSI to MSI products because everything these brands make can come from different OEMS and different quality of parts. Even if MSI doesn't outsource to other manufacturing companies and make things in-house; they could use two different factories (one in china, another in mexico). Quality of PARTS make some chips better than others.
Example: Intel i-7 6700k from china overclocks 5.0Mhz Intel I-7 6700k from mexico overclocks 4.4Mhz. this is just an example that we do see happen. Apple #Chipgate.
Essentially you are paying for the same exact GPU chip with different coolers, and banking on whether or not the one you bought can be overclocked more than any other, and this is not determined by which company you bought it from Asus or MSI; It is determined by Nvidia or AMD and BIN Lottery. factory overclocked yes some may be faster for obvious reason (because they set at a faster frequency), however if you overclock them to the same speed, you will notice they are actually not that different.
That being said, did you know that companies like Ferrari,Apple,Microsoft, and Intel may not own any factories and essentially do not decide what quality of materials are on used on their products? You might wonder; well then how do they make stuff. The answer is simple they have companies dedicated to manufacturing like foxconn to build them. You know how hard it is for a company who doesn't sell products year round; these products include items with long life, high durability, single specific use; basically they don't make a lot of these and when they are not making them the upkeep on a factory they don't use will be wasteful.
TLDR: Right now you can get a Nvidia GTX970 CHIP for cheaper than AMD 390 CHIP (Vendor and model doesn't matter) and hope you get lucky you can overclock that thing higher.
To understand why they don't unlock all CPU for overclocking is to understand the CPU manufacturing process.
Are all 4th gen i7 created equal?
do they factory clock, and unlock before or after the chips are created
Do they decide the speed, and unlock after the chip was made
or do they make the chip to the speed, and overclock capability by choice.
My guess is when they make a chip say i7 4770 & 4790(K), all these chips are physically identical, but some are better binned and tuned when testing, giving them more stable performing and overclockable and a premium price. $10 difference
i've only played blizzard games so far, and it has been working fine.
I'm not sure if it is the graphics card or the motherboard, but it sags kinda low.
i tested the witcher 3, and if you turn off hairworks, i was able to get 50+ FPS
it runs hotter than normal, because the fans don't turn on till it gets hot like around 60C.
the gpu UI is really easy to use, or you can custom tweak it, but it has performance,normal,silent mode buttons for easy overclocking. it comes factory overclocked so it only has one version.
I went with the cheapest one when i bought it there was a $20 rebate if they were the same price the Gigabyte would be better.
Don't trust all the sites prices they show. on B&H Photo the strix/turbo is the cheapest 970 right now
$304.99/$288.99 after rebate no TAX outside of New York.
I'm not sure why you are having problems with overheating, but the asus 970 turbo, has a blower in the back acting as an exhaust, looking at your setup this is what i can see.
First you have two intake fans in the front, and 3 exhaust fans a the top. So your build has 4 exhausts and two intakes. creating negative air pressure.
also you have your hdds at the bottom of your case, which generate heat, and the old one probably generates more than normal. not only does heat flow upwards, but your exhaust fans help that potentially flowing into your gpu.
The reason people assume that 2133 is slow, is because many have cas latency of 14/15, where thier intial assumptions is that it is as slow as the ddr3-1333 with a cas of 7/8, however this is not the case, and they have later tested that a ddr3-2133 is about the same as the ddr4-2133.
The person in charge of PSUs from corsair spoke with pc part picker, and said so himself that its rated at 30C which is a bit low and not where they want them to be.
i can't keep mine knowing he said that.
He also said that the psu is designed for a budget power gaming build, which can be subjective.
i wouldn't define any current gaming pc budget.
also also they said there are very few things at that price which are as good, or better than it.
meaning there are a few psu at that price point that are better.
yes on the, Asus Z170-A the manual says if you are only using two ram sticks, you should put them in the 2nd and 4th slot from the left.(farthest from the cpu)
It depends on how far his modem is. If it was me i wouldn't mind running a 50 ft ethernet cable to the modem and have it dangling on the floor. but if he is on the second floor, and his room on the other side of the house, i wouldn't recommend using a 250 ft cat5e cable, because it may not work.
a better alternative to wireless though is phone jack Ethernet adapters.
that implies that he would buy a 100$ Motherboard, where for a gaming pc i would not cheap out on the motherboard. so he would be looking at around a 50 to 80 dollar difference, and that won't necessarily be enough to upgrade the gpu.
However when people choose to go from a 160$ to a 220$ it doesn't always dictate an upgrade in other components, rather an upgrade of features the mobo has, such as audio chipset, dual/better lan connector, fan support.
When you have poor cable management, you can create more spots for dust to build up, instead of being pushed out the back more efficiently, depending on the case.
Also the cables could potentially get caught in fans.
And can be easier to work with in the future, when you forget which cable was what.
Open up the back panel, and stick all your PSU cables through the giant hole at the bottom and feed them through one of the four small holes and if possible tie the cables behind that panel for the motherboard, and turn your hard drives the other way so you don't have cables running through the front.
yeah, you are totally right, i wasn't trying to knock the current state of MSI.
However in today's consumer market we rely, heavily on reviews of products. When you look at MSI's track history depending on what you might see, it could make you lean towards a certain brand.
However, MSI knowing about their past mistakes, might want to offer more features, at a lower price range to bring back customers they might have lost. That was what i was trying to say.
TLDR: It is true that MSI has premium features for a cheaper price. So with other motherboards you are paying more for the Brand and Reputation.
basically people will argue that the 960 is incapable of performing 4k at a reasonable FPS or is it powerful enough, which would limit your Vram needs to under 2GB.
However if you plan to use two monitors you may or may not need the 4GB.
Does it make a difference? you will definitely notice a difference and so will people around you.
But what you want to know is; Is it better?
its up to you and what you prefer.
IMO:
close-back headphones
keep the sound inside and outside sound out. may feel more bass heavy and loud because of this you will hear everything in the song even white noise if it has it. The sound is inside your head.because of these features they hurt my ears and head regardless of the headphone settings and cushions, i feel like my ears are going to pop.
open-back headphones
feels to me much more clean, and the sound has a concert feel to it (like the sound is coming from everywhere). The sound will bleed to everyone around you, and if they are loud you will hear them too. But in a quiet environment, i prefer these type over closed.
yes but isn't the reason they locked it, because they test the overclockability of that chip, and it failed to overclock as much as a K version's minimum overclock. Also is this why they lower the factory clock speed?
why is it able to be unlocked, is the CPU physically different, because they did something different during the manufacturing process? or is it just luck?
like with the case with OC versions of graphics cards. Companies are all given the same GPU from Nvidia or AMD, but some are better binned and can overclock higher safely then others, giving them that premium price and name of OC or Superclocked.
it really depends on the game, and how much you are able to overclock.
you may not notice increases in gaming performance with 0.1 ghz increases but if you make larger jumps of .5 to 1.0ghz increases you may notice differences of up to 5fps depending on your GPU and the games CPU dependence.
if you plan on overclocking, the price is not only in the cpu, you will need a better cooler.
Also if you want to see small increases in your computer speed get a ssd. You can get a 128gbs 850 EVO for around $60, if you are willing to install and rotate games in/out. 250gbs for $90
boot times will be drastically increase whereas load times, will be increased as well (respectively). load times are usually short so increases are less noticeable
overclocking may shorten your cpu lifespan.
TLDR: If you care about small increases in performance and can spend the extra money get the K version. Otherwise they are exactly the same. You may not "perceive" any difference.
it depends on what you mean by overkill, if someone wants to build a neutral airflow computer vs positive/negative, then their only option might be to buy that cooler depending on the case. It is the cheapest 120&120mm(240mm) liquid cooler corsiar sells.
I personally wouldn't want to mount a regular fan next to a radiator
from the looks of this case, it appears to me mounting the liquid cooler anywhere but the front, is a daunting task.
for the argument of 16gb of ram if you are like me and want dual screens and enjoy playing games first in beta while watching netflix,twitch,crunchyroll. then you may need more then 8gbs of ram
yes there are good ATX boards for around $100, except they are missing some things.
They don't have USB 3.1- A & C, they don't have m.2 3rd gen X4, they don't have Killer ethernet e2400 they may use realtek alc 892 or 887 instead of 1150 and they may not have an easy to use uefi bios and they may not be Z, which has overclock support.
Those are just the main reason anyone would pick a more expensive MOBO vs one that is $100.
Also depending on his use he may or may not need the 6700 especially if he only plans on gaming.
Also Also this CPU is fine, yeah some people might want a faster one, that is safer to overclock, but its like buying an faster computer its only a preference of spending more for speed.
Although maybe the cooler wasn't a good idea, but maybe he wanted his computer to be "COOLER"
