Dual GPUs haven't been used with this system for a while. It's core to core latency. All AMD CPUs with cores on multiple dies run into issues with low latency audio production. I really hope Intel doesn't start doing it too in order to get higher core counts.
With your specific workflow you'd probably be fine with a 3900X, at a 512 buffer there's way more headroom than the 9900K. Drop it to 64 and that changes, but since you're not doing any tracking while having CPU heavy VIs, a blank project will leave almost all of the CPU resources to tracking. If you're not tracking with something like an amp sim running, even better.
I use Cubase 10 Pro. I use a lot of CPU heavy VIs at fairly low buffers and also track live instruments(guitars and bass), so for me Ryzen just can't keep up. If you're doing mostly mixing and running a 512+ buffer anyway the CPU will probably be an absolute monster for you. When you're tracking, if you don't also have a bunch of VIs and other CPU heavy stuff going on you will probably be fine as well. Between a fairly CPU heavy drum kit, big orchestral libraries, synths, it was all just to much, even at a 256 buffer. Couldn't even get 512 to be 100% artifact free but there was added latency. My workload needs faster cores unfortunately. I'm really hoping Intel gets smart and drops Cascade Lake X pricing considering the 3950X stomps the whole lineup in most things.
Those were very poor analogies lol.
That unit has a 2 year warranty. If you honestly believe that unit will have the longevity of a quality unit that a company backs with a 10 year warranty you are just insane(though after a second look the Focus Gold have 7, I could have swore I read 10 years somewhere but I was mistaken, point still remains though lol). Plus it's a non-modular unit(have fun stuffing those extra cables somewhere). Not even 80+ White, so who knows what efficiency is like. Depending on how much you use it you may pay the same amount long term(especially if you do manage to make that unit last 10 years).
Blah blah blah, another wall of text because you want to buy cheap units lol. If you really can't afford an extra 20 bucks to get a quality PSU, then maybe you should rethink spending hundreds of dollars on a computer to begin with and balance your budget better.
I would use a $72 unit with a 2200G. The Focus Gold 450.
Well, I would but the sale price has ended apparently.
The people who run this site have more experience with PC building than you and I put together. Make your own website if you think they're wrong.
Lmao it is NOT bad advise to stick to high quality units that come with a 10 year warranty. That's well worth spending an extra $15-20.
I didn't see a question in your rambling. Mainly because I didn't read it. You came back with walls of text, twice now, after simple comments I made just because you feel personally attacked because you spent a little less than I said I would lol. Relax kid.
By the way, that price you mentioned for the S12III was a sale, and they're out of stock lol.
The one listed for me is $72. It's a parametric list based on lowest price in your region.
You're getting really bent out of shape over my advice to stick to high quality units lol.
Seasonic units are generally around the $80 mark...
The Focus Gold 450 is $75...
I honestly just skimmed through most of what you typed because you got ridiculous over nothing.
Because skimping out on a power supply is a very poor decision. The PSUs are from a parametric selection based of certain specs. The one you see is the cheapest option in that range. On my screen it shows a Seasonic Focus Gold 450.
I wouldn't spend a dime under $80 on a PSU if you actually care about your components.
If you're using a 60Hz monitor there is little reason to go all out with the CPU. Any of these CPUs will be fine for a 60Hz display so get whatever saves you the most money.
To get that extra $70 out of people who don't know any better lol. That's literally why it exists.
I'm honestly impressed by your ability to score deals. Plus it looks really nice.
Speaking of V's, I used to have an LTD Alexi-200. Love the Jackson Rhoads, especially with the chrome pick guard. Charvel is another brand I like(since they're basically Jacksons anyway).
I'm with you on that though, if I spend too much time eyeing guitars I'll end up with more. My wish list on zZounds is already 4 pages of guitars haha.
I used to have Roland's cheapest model that was kind of an all in one folding unit. This was like 8 years ago though. I'm not very good at drums so it was something cheap to have fun on. I'll have to keep an eye out for a used kit, it would be fun to start trying to drum again!
Ahh, yeah, then you should be pretty set! Even if you have to increase the buffer it's not a big deal since extra latency doesn't make much difference.
I track guitars and bass so extra latency is super annoying. When I use my MIDI keyboard(Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2) I just quantize it if latency is too bad(or, more likely, my timing sucks lol).
Jealous of that drum kit though. Been wanting a TD-25 for a looong time.
Yeah, when it comes to multitrack DSP this thing will definitely be an absolute monster.
Do you track live instruments? That's been the main thing getting in my way(well, that and the amount of VIs I use) and why I'm strongly considering switching back to Intel chips for my DAW machine.
What buffer size are you able to run with this beast?
You mean like a poor person lol.
What's the matter? Mommy and daddy can't afford anything that costs more than $200?
I can't believe how edgy you are. I literally got cut reading your comments.
My first beer of the night was a Guinness 200th Anniversary Stout haha. Though I'm much more into craft stouts and porters. Guinness was my entry into the world of stouts.
When it comes to guitars though, I'm a huge Jackson fanboy. I've had a few in my time, but right now I just have a Pro Series SL7 Soloist(the one that's my icon, beautiful finish) and a JS series 7 string Dinky. Then I've also got a multi-scale Legator 7 string that I got on clearance. I'm one of those prog metal guys, so I love my extended range.
The headstocks on that Parker is wild though, I love it.
Here's my current collection. I also have a cheap 5 string Ibanez bass. Love natural finishes. https://imgur.com/a/VOcigvS
+1 for guitar.
...Even if it is a Gibson/Epiphone.
Considering Insignia is Best Buy's house brand, I would assume(er...hope) that they have enough sense to make sure it's not a complete piece of garbage or a fire hazard haha.
Super envious that you got a Titan Xp for free.
Ayyyy, finally another audio person on here.
What DAW, plugins and VI's do you use?
Also, that monitor sounds sick as ****. I bet you can fit like, 40+ tracks on screen in your mix console.
Audio production likes RAM.
What's your buffer size? I wasn't very pleased with my 3900X for audio production.
If I remember correctly, certain B85 boards can OC. 5 years ago I realllly wanted to do a emulator build based on a G3258 due to it's impressive overclocking capabilities.
I'm going to use this build as a retort to people who say you can't build a PC worth a **** for under $500.
This is honestly a great budget build. 8GB of RAM is a little iffy, but I doubt you'll have any real problems. I am a little concerned about the quality of an Insignia PSU but...I'm sure you could do much worse. Nice job.
What are those fans? I like them a lot.
Damn, I would have been all over that lol.
You can stop stalking and harassing me now, thanks.
But for the record, this PC hits a minimum of 60 FPS on the TV it's connected to, and a minimum of 80 FPS when using the Oculus Rift S. There was literally no reason at all to use higher speed RAM. If I really wanted to, I could tune them to run faster or with tighter timings. Like I've done with basically all of my other kits.
I log in a few days ago and see you've commented a dozen times on my builds, yet you simply ignore the information I've given you. Why are you so bothered by my decision to return hardware that didn't provide the performance I desired? Because I can afford to buy whatever the **** I want?
Here's a thought: do some research yourself on DAW performance with various CPUs.
Max overclocking potential of a 5700 is much lower than a 2060 Super. I've tested multiple cards first hand and this has been verified by plenty of testers.
And yes, a 2060 SUPER(which gets the same performance as a 2070) can reach performance levels of a 5700 XT. Again, can you not read?
As far as shortening the lifespan of hardware, that's not entirely true. It depends on how much you overclock, how much extra voltage is applied, and how well temperatures are controlled. I've been doing this for a decade, go away.
You literally know nothing about audio production. I've done thousands of hours of research and testing. Also, I had an X570 board, can you not read? It's in the parts list and the pictures lol.
Nobody here is mad, you're just ignorant lol. You can't even read a parts list and you know absolutely nothing about my use case scenario, the requirements, or how various hardware performs. Audio production isn't gaming. It isn't video editing. It isn't like any other type of productivity work. The chip design itself is the reason Ryzen doesn't get the same low latency audio performance as Intel.
Also I DID buy 5700's, 2 of them, and I returned both of them. If it makes you feel any better, I returned a 2060 Super too lol. Stuck with my reference card and returned the EVGA XC Ultra.
False. 5700s run at near peak performance out of the box, which is cool. My 2060 Super, on the other hand, can be overclocked a decent amount(to basically match a 5700XT). I also got 2 free games with it compared to a few months of Xbox Game Pass that the 5700s came with. Hardware Unboxed did a massive 41 game benchmark and found that at stock speeds, the 2060 Super outperforms the 5700. That's stock. I don't run my **** stock lol.
Come back when you've tested even half as much hardware as me and understand my use case scenario. Or I guess you can stalk me some more like a creeper, I don't care lol.
Because it wasn't giving me the low latency audio performance I desired. This wasn't a gaming PC, that part was just a bonus. Now I run an HEDT for audio and a rebuilt gaming PC(with a new GPU) for gaming/VR. Technically, 2 for VR, because we have VR in 2 rooms so my husband and I can play together.
Lol on the contrary, my dedicated audio rig uses an RX 570. Having an Nvidia card in an audio PC adds latency because their drivers have unnecessary **** running in the background.
It's not about instant gratification. It's about being able to do the work needed. This isn't a toy, it's a tool. I want my tools to work effectively and efficiently.
You understand nothing about pro audio lol. The difference between having audio dropouts and not having audio dropouts is worth a lot. Most pro producers who make 6 figures doing it say **** it and pony up the money for a Mac but...I can build better for less and don't make that kind of money lol.
9980XE killed every TR processor in audio production. It's literally the best you can buy for an audio PC, period. AMD's design doesn't perform as well with low latency audio, especially tracking live instruments. I may not be poor, but I'm not blowing 2 grand(or, realistically, maxing out a credit card lol) just to buy a processor. Stick to talking about things you know about.
I don't know what there is to "man up" about. I bought ****, it didn't do what I needed it to, so I returned it and bought something that did. It's a pretty simple concept.
Yup! They could have even been placed higher if need be. It's a pretty awesome cooler. Stupid quiet too thanks to the fans only spinning up to ~800RPM.
Not for audio lol. A 3600 can't handle my projects. I need performance. Period.
I'm not spending $400 on a GPU to not be able to use it. That's ******* stupid. I'm also not spending $400 on a VR headset to not be able to use it. Again, that's ******* stupid.
Because it didn't give me the performance I wanted or needed. So no, it didn't "work", not how I needed it to.
This wasn't a gaming PC, it was an audio production PC. They have different requirements and utilize hardware in different ways. Being able to play VR on it was a bonus, but in the end having a dedicated PC for each task was a much more effective solution.
Sorry for choosing hardware that benefits my use case scenario. I work overtime a lot, so I buy the things I want that give me the performance I need. Try it some time. Or keep being broke and envious, your call.
Because I bought it when RAM prices were high and I didn't need high speed RAM. This one is a gaming PC. My husband is the primary user of this, he didn't want to spend an extra 80 bucks(at the time) for faster RAM that would provide no noticeable benefit.
It's almost as if you don't understand what "90% rebuild" means. I'll give you a hint: it means 90% of the parts were purchased long before the build was completed and posted.
Take a look at the board layout and come back when you know what you're talking about lol.
I never said anything about USB being ran from SATA, and they do not have their own chipset. The majority of USB on X570 comes from the X570 chipset itself, some straight from the CPU. That's one advantage of the newer I/O on X570, the fact that extra controllers aren't needed. However some boards do opt for an additional SATA controller.
We're talking about the most "future proof" consumer platform with the most features. Between Z390 and X570, it's the latter. Period. The ability to add more **** without having to buy AICs definitely has an impact, you just don't get it lol.
That's why I gave it 3 stars instead of 1. Begone.
Also, seeing how Sapphire only sells AMD cards, I'm going to throw shade at them for choosing to only work with a company that is known to have hit or miss drivers.
I'd check out performance-pcs.com, they have a pretty wide selection. From memory I know they carry all of those brands and at least some of those parts.
I really like that CPU block.
Lol there's more to I/O than link speed.
"Most of that is wrong, let me mention a bunch of things you never said while touching on nothing you did say"
This website lol.
Let me ask you something. Why do you think X570 boards tend to have more USB ports along with M.2 ports that don't share bandwidth with SATA ports? Because Intel is mean? Lol...
Unless you need 64GB of RAM there's no point buying it. Games aren't going to use that much RAM until after DDR5 is mainstream(possibly DDR6). 32GB is pretty unnecessary too, given you're building a gaming PC. Having more RAM only helps if you're running out of RAM.
I don't know how things are where you live, but check pricing on 970 Evos. They're getting phased out so some retailers here in the US have them as cheap as/cheaper than regular SATA SSDs, so it might be the same where you're at.