I think today with the liberal control of education you get a lot of young people who think its great, but they don't look too far down the road. The problem with liberal thinking is you end up with a huge corrupt government ripe for a bad actor to get in control and bad things to happen, this has been proven over an over. You get a poor economy that hurts everyone, I don't see people moving to the EU so they can live in a flat and ride a bike to work. America became the greatest in the world because of conservative ideals, but I'm not going to say they were all perfect. People getting rich here was the key to what we made, people bought the best healthcare system, people bought nicest homes and cars, best food, educations, etc. The masses did that. In other countries you still have rich people, in a big government its always the government people that are rich. Level of living directly correlates to average wages, so what kind of country you want to live in? Now you have other forces that affected this here in the US such as outsourcing labor on a large scale to knock down wages, a weak economy for a long time, low interest rates that what....help the rich and government not the masses. I don't blame young people for being angry, but they should understand why it is this way today.
You say Trump has done nothing so you can't see the lowest unemployment for minorities (opportunity), you can't see a stronger military, the terrorists are very diminished, wages are finally rising after decades of waffling, and many other things he promised. Some things he can't do without congress, who has resisted doing anything in particular controlling borders or voting on trade deals. Trump is a different guy and not polished, but he appears far more capable than most people in DC who bring America nothing of value. The world over has shown the failure of large governments that is why this one is specifically designed not to be. When liberals want to get rid of law and constitution you should be very worried. Ask yourself what a democrat has done for you lately. Yes the republicans don't have a clue, most republicans or conservatives are very unhappy with them but don't see becoming communist or socialist as the answer. Politicians love to push social stuff but that don't pay the bills, it does not take care of your family. What is more important. They have made an artform out of becoming millionaires and doing nothing for the welfare of the US people.
Far as other things like drugs, take a look at places its legal. Car breakins are huge, so is it fair to make everyone pay higher insurance so those people can have their drug fun by stealing your stuff. Its a cost to society. Same thing with alcohol we pay for it daily in costs and lives, now you want to add another one. In ten years they will say OMG weed causes cancer or something, like its a surprise. But they will do anything to get votes today, they are rich who cares what cost it has on the masses. Emptying the treasury to buy votes is a great racket but helps few, its your country you choose.
All I'm saying is govt policy caused the wage gap to get this large. It worked before. While people like to come up with so many reasons for that and blame corporations and rich people.....both of those always been here and are part of capitalism. Sure they will do anything they can to get ahead, that is the idea! Competition makes for great productivity and innovation. I'm not saying all the comments are wrong, but when it comes to wage gap I'm saying its a lot about worker demand. It is only natural a company will use lower cost labor any time they can, so it is up to the government to control what happens there. If you care about your people you keep limits on that so you don't end up with everyone making $8/hour. If you don't care about the masses in your country you don't care how poor they get due to outsourced labor, at least not until it is you and yours getting the low wages. We only would need socialism in the US because the government screwed up that bad, and guess who would run the socialism and be able to screw it up with twice the power then. Yes, the same people.
You are not getting my argument. I do agree there is a larger distribution problem here now, I'm just saying the rules/policy were changed to make people more poor and those rules do not apply to rich people. I don't think it is the job of government to decide and take rich people's money. They already pay more taxes and if you look closely you will see when rates were higher they had more loopholes also. I think it is in fact the government who made policy to make the masses more poor. You talk about govt evening things out, why trust them to do that when they created the problem. Or was that the plan all along. US govt got rid of competition for labor that kept wages higher, it was not all technology and changing times and all the other excuses people come up with. When you can't hire a worker, you pay more. Sure other factors come in like cost of healthcare...which the govt may have had a hand in also. That cost also makes it harder for a company to pay more.
And those billionaires say an extra 20% tax, really? See ya, I'm moving to some other place. And then you collect $0 dollars from them. And then maybe those billionaires put their money to work in another economy, not yours.
However the reason I would not change it is because the US did support the highest level of living, it is proof it is the best system. Why would you screw it up, what makes you think the US as socialist would be any less a failure than other socialist countries?
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The liberals helped lower the standards of living here, the same people they will 'help' with socialist policy? Like all those union people that vanished? Send the job to China say goodbye to the union lol. I don't see how liberals have my best interest in mind, their track record is terrible.
The entire problem with socialist/communism government is they are too big, too controlling. They will zap the 2nd amendment and then all it takes is one evil group or person to get in control and you have a lot of dead people, or people with no rights whatever the case. That is the way it happened every time in history, that is why the US govt is purposely designed where no one group is in control....supposedly.
Its true when you start trade and everyone has a good pay scale, eventually people (or some people) make less and they can only afford to buy the cheapest products. It is supposed to be competition that evens things out, competition for workers and against other companies. You can't compete against $3/hr China wages, and when you let half of a car be made there including complex parts like drivetrains, you just got rid of a lot of high pay jobs. Or moving appliance factories to Mexico, I mean you don't need to worry about automation taking over in the US because that stuff is no longer made here. Labor intensive things like you talk about was the first things to move out, clothing/etc. But now China is going to build air liners because they have all our technology, we don't need any manufacturing here. We can hardly make military equipment here because everyone left. I'm just saying it went way to far and now you lowered the standard of living here. If you serve the people you don't lower the standard of living.
My diypc case was nice to work with, easy to wire behind the board made it look nicer. Probably should pick a look or type of case you want and go from there, like rgb, glass side or front, white, mesh, etc.
Run HWMonitor and see where your temps are at, even if you OC well if it throttles under load you are losing out. For a better cooler you can go larger air cooler or AIO cooler. For air it will be about it fitting, mostly fitting in the case as the big ones are pretty tall. Clearing memory can be an issue mostly if you have tall memory. AIO you have to mount the radiator someplace that depends on what case you have.
Should be, if you happen to get a triple fan version they are longer and some cases only fit so much length. That is usually the only issue with gpu fitting, and some cards are thicker and can cover the 2nd pcie that can be an issue if you need to use it.
Controller would be ok if it still works with rgb board, then you could always use it elsewhere possibly take the fan out and use it alone. I mean, the whole cooler is almost as cheap as some rgb fans.
Wow that is a lot of monitor, looks good. I have one 27 and not sure what to get next but its only for home stuff and games.
The GTX 1660 is good the 1660Ti is better, the 1660 Super just came out and is almost a Ti but the price is better for what you get. Beyond that you are looking at a RX 5700, GTX 2060, GTX 2060 super, all above $300 generally. You could go with a RX 590 but its older and takes more power they are around 200, but the plain GTX 1660 is slightly better and the Super version is better yet and they take less power, less noise/heat than the older radeon cards.
He gets that too, sometimes he has east coast and west coast the same day and with time zones that makes for a really long day. Well that helps having some office equipment. Once I was able to get an old cube from a receptionist area. It is actually a very nice unit and heavy. Anyway set that up as a home office got lateral files and everything, its really ideal, have used it for many years and don't plan on moving it.
Could be from x570, it has more lanes and they had more or less run out with x470 to the point that things were sharing lanes and disabling other things.
I would like an ITX, I really don't see why we are still using ATX from 1995. Its just weird when certain things get stuck in technology. What if we still had bag phones? But my new PC is just the common stuff you have to give up some things for ITX. I might get gutsy when I upgrade my 2400G and build an ITX system with it.
My guess is they could not fit the AMD hole pattern in that small board, it is small I like it.
Mini-ITX Form Factor: 6.7-in x 6.7-in, 17.0 cm x 17.0 cm
The x570 is for the new generation 3000 series, and its bios works fine. Any lower number board (largely) was out before 3000 ryzen, unless they made more of them like the msi max which has a larger bios chip to fit the larger bios in it. Because their old small chip could not fit it all, they had to cut down the bios features to make 3000 work. Most x470 have the larger bios chip, however they came out for 2000 series so they need a bios update, or you need a newly manufactured one that has a new bios in it....or you need an older cpu to flash the bios...or there are a few boards that will flash without a cpu.
They list 23 different coolers for it. Who cares what cooler? I mean whatever, but my hyper cooler had so many mounts with it I think it fit every socket the last 10 years. Its doubtful you want a noisy stock cooler anyway, and if you have no cooler budget why are you buying a x570. I'm not really seeing the issue here, other than its kind of strange to require a intel cooler on an amd, but only appears to be hole spacing is all.
That would be my guess, the first slot should be default for GPU card. It may not run well in another slot. I guess you could look in bios for any video or pcie settings but it should work without doing that. Some bios you can set onboard or GPU video.
I can't recall if it came with the case or board but I had a tiny speaker that plugs into the board. In my experience its GPU or memory that usually gives no boot.
Coolers with larger fans like 120mm are quieter the fan runs slower and still pushes a lot of air compared to little coolers. Gammaxx has a GT and GTE iirc one has top cover that is rgb the other one does not, both have rgb fan.
Not sure where that comes from, a drive is a drive. If I did mine over again I would go 1tb or more on my OS drive, and get the other one later. Its your OS drive you will have to replace if it is too small, and 2nd drive can be added any time. Unless you have a specific need to put things on different drives. And while nvme can be fast there is not much difference between nvme and sata ssd for normal or gaming use.
I have games for under 5 bucks, old games but good ones. They have other software too but I have not explored it that much. But its something that near anyone could use.
Maybe a steam or gog or MS gift certificate? Could also consider a gaming headset if you can get a deal on those. Biggest thing here lately is putting stuff on FB, but that is used stuff not sure what requirements are for that. Its mostly because you can get stuff in your local area.
Someone on here had an issue running a EVO m.2 on a steel legend, not sure if it is isolated issue or not.
Yeah I have an old gateway with that too, its handy but in the control panel of the case so can not really use it elsewhere. You can buy readers to go in front slots of PCs iirc they are not expensive. Then you need a case with external drive bays to do that. IDK about cases with that maybe but I've not seen one, but if you use a drive bay type you can still have a good selection of cases to choose from. In fact I put a usb3 card and 3.5 drive bay panel in that gateway to get usb3 on it for backups. My case is a diypc silence and has 2 5.25 bays, one I put a DVD and the other could be a control panel for something.
Good luck. I have a family member that does that, he is on calls with groups around the country all the time. Its a project management thing for a large company. He says it has good and bad points, like you never see people but not commuting is nice. He says sometimes he feels trapped just due to how many hours he is at home. Some people work in PJs all day while others would never do that, you will have to figure out what works for you. You should be able to find some temp furniture, one office I was in we bought fold up tables from sams club to get going. They were handy for other things too.
Make sure you know what your m.2 slot takes, sometimes the second slot is sata it depends on the board. Nvme is faster but outside of huge files and video editing you probably wont see a big speed difference.
I been playing some off steam, a few you need to set compatibility mode (in win10) So far good luck. I had to get dxrebirth for descent 1 & 2 it looks far better with it and could not get the mouse to work in DOSBox (which will play a lot of old dos games). It was great to play descent again, there are some newer games that are similar. I just loaded up all the half-life games, some I was able to put in my CD key and activate. Not sure what you mean by old games, I tend to like 90s and up games that are 3d FPS/racing/rpg sometimes. Right now on a 27" 1080p they look awesome compared to yesteryear. My 2400G will play them all without even speeding up the cooler fan. Some other games you can find mods for them so they work again, some games fans have made many levels for its really impressive. GOG is another place to find them. I wish steam did more to make them playable/mods/etc as some are hard to get working, but they do have most oem updates, some reviewers give tips. Wait for a sale you can get some of them for <5 bucks. Not perfect but you can search on steam/etc for old similar games and reviews, which can help you find the games you missed out on. Glad someone is doing it because there are a lot of great old games out there if you are not stuck on perfect graphics.
Find out what size bios chip it is, my asus x470 prime pro said 32mb which is the same as new msi max boards. I flashed the new bios for 3000 and it changed nothing I can see. I run 3 dc case fans and 1 pwm cooler fan all off the board no problems.
I agree its tough to justify x570 price, the x470 generally do anything you need today. If you do check the spec on the x570 make sure its ryzen 2000 ready, not sure why it would not. They might drop support for old am4 cpu but would be surprised if they did not support any ryzen.
You can upgrade most things, not sure about motherboard. I have upgraded cpu/gpu/drives/memory and sometimes it asks me to go to MS to verify but not had any issue with it yet. Never changed out a board with an oem license though. I have a sff PC over a few years I put the largest cpu, added a gpu, largest memory pack, cloned hdd to a ssd, and it still works great. There is nothing left to upgrade in it. I also replaced the failed dvd drive. That was bought as a renewed, so I assume its an oem license. In the past by the time you needed a new board due to technology, you needed new version of windows too. So maybe win10 will last forever but that has never happened before.
You can clone it from the current drive. It can be a pain to do, sometimes it works great, hard to say. Or like said you can do a new install.
For small and durable and reasonable, I've had great luck with Oontz.
Great info thanks. When I said:
I asked in another post and 3600/gtx2080 was still under 500W with 4 drives in it
I asked in another post and 3600/gtx2080 was still under 500W with 4 drives in it
Yes I had put that system in the partspicker and was looking at that estimated wattage. That is the max stuff I might ever put in my system, and I have to replace my 450 psu I had laying here when I did my build.
The big problems in the US the way I see it is first outsourcing labor. It can be good but we did too much and lowered wages, which has hurt a lot of people and our economy. Rich people can't run a country, the masses do, and relatively rich (to other countries) middle class made the US what it is. If you have relatively poor people, well just look at other countries and see what you have. You can live in your little flat and ride your bike to work. The second issue is low interest rates. This causes distortions in the market. The govt has poor policy that hurts the economy then wants low rates to help it, oh, and so the govt can borrow too. Now we have low rates 'forever' and you get companies borrowing to buy up their stock, buy competitors, banks buying oil storage, all kinds of strange stuff, and causing huge mortgage failures/corruption/bubbles, etc. Companies that borrow are not expanding their business and payroll here in the US, why, because the economy has not really been that good excluding the last couple yrs and oh yeah they can just outsource the labor cheaper anyway. So now you have a whole section of the labor force that gets no raise in say two decades, which in turn cuts business to those who used to have them for customers. The current trade deals may be the most important thing for this country for decades to come. Or I could be wrong lol, but I don't think so. There are other factors like corruption, regulation, lobbyists, etc., I agree with that. I'm just saying things that affect the masses really matter; when wages drop, when healthcare goes way up, fuel prices go up, those things cause billions of dollars to change to different hands and here its been changed away from the middle class.
Yes. Things like photos you can leave on a hdd, or backups, storage, and smaller/older games will run fine off a hdd. But a larger/newer game you have to wait for a whole level to load will run faster on a ssd. I have some old games that are <1gb folder and they load fast on the hdd because they are so small. OS on a ssd will boot much faster, load applications much faster.
I asked in another post and 3600/gtx2080 was still under 500W with 4 drives in it, most said 550W was likely fine a 650w would be nicer. That was assuming a quality psu.
Depends on what case you have, my diypc case the PSU is in the bottom in its own area. The fan faces down and there is an air intake in the bottom of the case for it. Traditional case it was in the top with the motherboard and helped exhaust heat out of the PC.
My Asus has the s1220a with crystal sound 3. I have a Z506 5.1 spealers on mine and they sound very good, considering they are little PC speakers. I can be audiophile but don't expect it with this and no its not HT sound, but for what they are and that sale price, its good. Realtek even appears to have time alignment in it, but I didn't bother to set it maybe later. I only have speakers on here for games and occasional youtube video/music. These are analog, there is also an optical output for expensive speakers. Asus It says it has 8 channels. This is why people don't buy sound cards anymore. It is likely that if you record it would be much more important than for playing sound. Recording can pick up noise much easier. On an old PC I had 4 speakers and sub on a SB card and it worked great in many games, I do play old games but not sure this is going to run them the same way.
Looks good I would agree w Robert try to slip a 500gb drive in there if you can its well worth it for the $20.
They seemed to say it was not fully filled with liquid so it was noisy, and lot of them had damaged fins. If you are good with sending it back until you get a good one...is what a deal it looks like to me.
Kirk is that you?
X470 was the top chipset until last summer, the Prime pro is a mid level board its basically the ROG x470 board minus a few details but has a nice feature set. Either of those setups would do that with the right GPU, the 8 core is going to do well at things that like more cores. Games keep moving to more cores everyone says 6 required now more or less, I don't know when they will be saying get 8 core.
I like a card better, I can upgrade it or the board separate and use it in some other PC if I need to. If you build a LAN gaming PC or other special use where you know you want wifi then a wifi board can be a good idea. At my house I never use wifi in PCs, but none of them travel anywhere either. I have a tiny usb wifi and I have used it during router problems it is handy to have.
Guess I'd look at the rpm/cfm your current fans are at, and do you have a cooling issue you need more flow for? Then you want to upgrade some. Just remember more rpm is usually more noise, its the best advantage of larger (or more) fans they can do the job at less rpm/noise. I agree there are a lot of fans out there. I have deepcool rgb on my list, don't need anything special and they are reasonable but that could change. I like the Vardar the best but don't really need them.
Great question. The new GTX 1660 super is out now too, it is almost the Ti and lower price. Nobody is saying but thought early next year the other RX will be out like the RX 5500. Nobody says a lot about the Vega gpu, I may be shopping over holidays too. Also depends on if you are gaming at 1080 or 1440, what games.
Also consider ryzen 4000 is said come out on AM4 socket which may well be the end game for AM4 motherboards. I'd likely get less cpu if my budget was full, and upgrade to 4000 or whatever is top dog later. That should have less impact on gaming than GPU choice, unless you do other things with the PC that need cpu power. From what I see the 3000 while newer/better is not a big step in gaming performance. If you want the bleeding edge then you pay for it. Same with x570 while I like good boards it does not seem to have big advantage over x470 unless you have a special use case, so how much extra is it worth? I expect my x470 prime pro to run any 3000 likely 4000 (am4) ryzen no problem, the vrm is good enough/etc. After that the AM4 socket is done. As always look at your budget and the features you want.
I should bench my gammix s11 but it was in a test and did very close to an EVO unless you really flogged it even then it was not terrible. Price was good, it was recommended. It is supposed to be same drive as adata 8200 but with a sink attached, iirc 8200 had same numbers. Though this was for a 480gb. Anyway they did not seem to be lying. Since I don't do video editing much I figure it was overkill for me at the time (spring '19) and somewhat futureproofed. Had no issues with it so far.
Crystalmark 64 MB/s is 2500 read 1600 write, with other programs going on PC if that matters.
Problem you get is what I did, waited over 2 months to buy my motherboard. Now you have to look at return windows if something else is bad, prices on other parts you bought might be lower, etc., and you can't use the PC until you have it all. Its good to watch prices here, sale prices, price drops, then buy. Back Friday can be great for deals problem is it may not be on items you want. If you are open to range of options your chances are better on a deal. Typical demand items just don't get marked down that much, some things never do, so it will be hit and miss. If you want a x570 motherboard there are only a few and may not be on sale any more than they usually are. If you want any 500gb ssd there are many so your chances are good some will be on sale.
That is about the last processor before ryzen, it should not be slow on office based tasks unless you are doing massive calculations. In past I worked with 10 page 800 line excel files, it was fun lol. But if you run out of memory that will slow anything down, its my best guess that would help especially if you show memory is full while doing it. The ssd would speed loading and boot, and windows swap file, but if its memory issue it wont get rid of that. You would have to verify what exactly m.2 drive would work and if it can boot it (because older PC were not all on the same page with m.2 drives). Or get a sata but with 2 connectors you would have to clone your drive and replace the hdd, its a 2tb that is about 200 to buy one. Either one could be used in a new PC however, and the memory though its nicer to run 3200 speed (or close) in a newer ryzen. I don't know of faster memory being a problem long as its the kind that fits ie ddr4 which yours says it is. This site should find you the best deal on memory.
I don't see a GPU affecting excel, sure it would help with games. A GPU may require larger PSU.
An ssd drive will speed it up, 8gb of memory might be short and causing excel issues. If you can hear the drive start running while you work and it slows it may be caching things, in that case more memory would help. Or check the performance monitor. You could use the ssd in a new PC as well so that is not wasted, you could get a stick of memory. If that is ddr4 you can use memory in new ryzen too but you generally need 2 matched sticks.
HP says you have best processor. Says it can do 16gb of memory. I would think memory shortage since that should run excel easily. Unless your drive is full or something like that.
It has 2 sata connectors (hdd/dvd) and m.2 slot. It does not say what m.2 to use or if it can boot from it, says M key is all, so IDK what it would take. You could clone the drive to a sata ssd and use that, see what a 16gb memory kit costs, go from there. Otherwise yes its time for new.
You have drivers for all the motherboard hardware/chipset and windows sets itself around that hardware, you change it and it can cause problems. In the old days you did a repair install to reset all that, not sure today. I usually get a new PC at that point lol. I've changed many cpu/memory/gpu all that plug in stuff is made to change. Though deleting the old video software can sometimes be a chore when doing a gpu. Yes this is an issue if you move to say ddr4/new cpu/new motherboard, you can't do it piece by piece. On top of all that its nice to clear out and have a fresh windows install with a major upgrade. Some people have changed the board out and it worked, its a chance you take if problems come up.
Black Friday/the weekend is great time to shop stuff if you want say a gpu card or whatever. Its not so good if you want only specific X gpu card that may not be on sale.