Put Ubuntu 14 on a USB drive and you can run Ubuntu "live" off the USB without even installing it.
It's not necessarily the heat. They just use absolutely horrible stick. Mine fell off basically before I even turned the computer on. Most people buy some 3M double sided tape, I hear.
To close the loop on this, I bought a new Gigabyte X99 motherboard and it came with a 3-way bridge designed for cards being in slots 1, 2 and 4. So that's great. Meanwhile it seems impossible to buy the thing that comes with motherboards for free.
Well the Harbinger Cross is a desk-computer case... it's up to you to build your computer and water cooling system inside it.
Well, I bought it... coming tomorrow... we'll see!
I am seriously considering this desk (for $2300), can you give me some more info and impressions about it? Is it easy to access the motherboard IO panel (to plug in USB devices in the back, disconnect devices, etc) or do you have to slide the whole thing out? I couldn't figure out how that worked since it seems like the back panel isn't in open air in the back of the desk. The info on FrozenCPU etc also says many things (like accomodating 2 mobos and power supplies) are available only "with expansion pack, coming soon" which seems unlikely. And some of what I've read online seems to be based on protoypes.
Does it fit 1 ATX and one micro-ITX out of the box? I don't see myself going with micro-ITX for anything but I probably won't need a 2nd build in there at all.
After paying for this desk I also don't know that I want to go water cooling right away (I have 3 GTX 780s and I haven't done a custom loop before). I also haven't done modding with a dremel or anything before and probably don't want to. I do have an h100. Why wouldn't that work? Couldn't reach to where the radiators are?
Do you recommend this desk for a badass looking build or should I just go with a huge case from mountainmods?
Yeah, you're "supposed" to have them right next to each other heating each other up, which doesn't make sense if you have an option.
Sound pretty futile, I mean it either works or it doesn't. The proper connections just must not be being made, with there being a gap where it expects a card.
It's just too bad that I'm being forced to either watercool the cards or run them right next to each other when there's an easy solution on any mobo with four PCIe slots. You wouldn't think this would be a very rare circumstance.
It's a Gigabyte GC-4SLI 4-Way SLI Bridge Connector Adapter.
Update: I bought a 4-way SLI connector and it does NOT work with 3 cards. It says only 2 are connected.
Fantastic! Thank you for the specific names. Mountainmods seems like an amazing company, huge, really cool, sturdy cases for fair prices. I had never heard of it, and it's exactly what I was looking for.
I am alternatively considering getting one of those cases where the case is actually an entire desk (I need a new desk anyway). Lian li has a model that is professional looking and understated, but Red Harbinger Cross was plain badass. Does anyone know if that or anything like it is available for purchase anywhere?
Nice! How did you sell the old graphics card, ebay? Did you get a decent price?
Can anyone confirm first-hand whether a 4-way bridge works on 3 cards?
Since your monitors are different sizes it's not really relevant, but it might be worth giving surround another shot sometime. I've only been using it the last year but it works perfectly for every new game I've tried it with, and for most old ones too. Probably a combination of driver improvements and game designers making games with it in mind.
I like the nearly 10TB of storage. Considering you have 3 monitors I'd find it hard to use only 1 for gaming, but of course you wouldn't be getting 144 fps in Surround.
Gotta drive a ways and return it this weekend. Pretty annoying. They said they'd make an exchange on the phone, but I hope they don't think I'M the one pulling a scam! I don't hold it against the store that this happened, it's a great store, I just hope they keep people from taking advantage of them in the future, or they'll have to raise prices for everyone.
Can you say more about the Chrome Remote Desktop?
I've got a pi that I made into a photo booth but now it's served its purpose and it's looking for its next task.
I'm getting pretty interested in RAID NASs, but in this case you could have bought a new Seagate 6TB internal hard drive and put it in your main computer and got more storage for the same price ($300USD). It's a cool project and learning experience. And I know the 250GB hard drives were free. But I think 250GB hard drives are barely worth it anymore, even at that price :)
Note: I bought two 6TB hard drives since they came out about a month ago, but when I put the second one in my computer, it turned out to be a 2TB Western Digital drive! I think someone scammed the store--bought it, swapped it with a different drive, sealed the box carefully and returned it, and the store didn't mark it as open box.
FANTASTIC! Thank you for the thorough and balanced write-up. It makes me really happy to see these massive builds that are not for gaming, for a couple reasons: one is that there's more to computing than gaming, and two, that there are a lot of impressive functions to computer building, such as CPU power and disk storage, that are not really pushed by gaming.
(Incidentally, my own path is kind of unusual in that I had no interest in computer gaming until I had cause to build my first workstation, at which point I discovered and loved PCPartPicker, and then, having an amazing computer with lots of CPU and graphics power, I got really into gaming as a way to take full advantage of this piece of equipment I now owned.)
I am bookmarking this to use as reference because this has inspired me to either upgrade my current X-79, 3930k build to a Xeon E5-2690, or build a second one with that CPU. When I was building mine, I don't remember seeing that one. I may have determined that $2k was too much, but my build was over $5k which makes $2k not seem so much, considering it's reasonable for the CPU to be 2/5 of the cost. The other calculation I'd have to consider is that my 3930k is overclocked to 4.4ghz, and I don't know whether Xeons can be/it's a good idea to overclock. I'd have to figure out whether getting 66% more threads, but at 31% slower clock speeds, is worth it, and on second thought it may not be.
Not to get too off-topic, but one of the things I was surprised at when building a computer designed to run as many independent threads as possible was that there weren't many cost savings in doing it all in one box; I guess that's why servers scale horizontally and not vertically. That is, I'd be better off getting two 3930ks for $500 each, getting 12 threads, than one of these 10-threaders at $2k. That's too bad, because building huge boxes is fun.
Of course, you still need to buy all the other parts if you're going to make two builds instead, and plus there's the issue of graphics and peripherals, which means you'd basically want to make one a headless server, and the issue of disk access, which means I guess an NAS that would be a third box shared between the two computers, which is something I haven't ventured into yet.
Secondly (and again going on my rant about maximizing number of threads, inspired by the 20-thread build here, but not directly applicable since this is for CAD) there is the issue of cloud services, which lots of people would have you believe are more economical for getting tons of threads, depriving us of building these glorious machines. It is true that with economies of scale, etc., I pay a monthly fee for high-RAM, high-disk servers that at the prices it would take to build them, it literally seems to me that these providers are losing money. But for computing (CPU) in the cloud, EC2 in particular is so expensive that if you're using them for prolonged, and not burst, I think your own mega-CPUs are the way to go, and the convenience of not having to make everything distributable with multiple boxes and a NAS can justify a single mega-CPU like this.
SO... I will see where were are with X-79 vs X-99 when it comes time to upgrade or rebuild in the next couple months.
Finally, about the architecture school... this is a great real-world case for needing to have such a supercomputer, but the locker situation seems weird to me. I would have thought they'd just keep it in their dorms and work on it there. Otherwise they have to go to a different building, take out the computer and plug it in every time they want to use it?
The locker situation necessitates the small form factor, but that also strikes me as a highly unusual need--most people building powerful machines don't also need to prioritize size--but you did an amazing job pulling it off.
I haven't looked at prices on 1440p monitors in a while but that seems like a really good deal, and easily the same or less cost of three 1080 ones.
Yeah, the link you sent is almost certainly describing the same thing: "it's like there's a faulty capacitator (?) or something which is leaking huge amounts of electricity, at least that's what it sounds like. A low kind of electrical leakage buzz sound.... the closest I could describe it is like a soft "frying" sound, which is pretty scary." Leaking electricity is a good way to put it. The Corsair guy didn't seem too interested on that thread, maybe that's because it's nothing to worry about. I guess I'll just leave it be.
That makes me feel a bit better. I don't mind the sound, I just didn't want it to blow up.
Thanks for the quick response guys. I did watch a youtube video showing coil whine and I would say I do not think it is that. I wouldn't say it was what one would typically call a whining sound at all. But I could be wrong. I forgot to mention that I did try plugging it into another outlet and using another power cable, with no improvement, but that both outlets I've tried have been in my new house, so the problem could be related to the electricity here. I would feel stupid sending it back if they tested it and it was fine.
If it just dies eventually I can just buy a new one, and it would probably be less inconvenient than sending it back and not having a computer for a few weeks. But my computer has $7,000 in parts so if this is a risk of it sending a surge through that would fry it, that would be so horrible and worth anything to avert. In terms of day-to-day performance, though, everything seems to be working just fine, so it's easy to ignore.
I don't think I could even take an audio/video to show you guys what I am talking about because it is a very high-pitched electrical force field, not like a shrieking sound, I don't think it could be captured on audio very well. So I am sorry for not being able to more clearly convey the problem, and I suppose there's no way I can get a definite answer as a result, but I appreciate your feedback anyhow. This computer is quite a powerhouse and I need to safeguard it. If it were any part but the PSU I wouldn't be worried at all of an unlikely event occurring, but this particular unlikely event would be really bad.
Very similar to mine (https://pcpartpicker.com/b/FZv) and we built it for the same purpose--to handle huge OCR tasks. Few people realize how computationally expensive those are (and in disk storage as well as CPU, in my case). Nice job.
Awesome build. Was wondering why you went with an NAS instead of loading up your case with hard drives? Looks like you could squeeze the five in there and have that case fully utilized, and I figure your mobo probably has just about enough SATA connectors, but I could be wrong. I was just curious what the advantage of an NAS for a situation like this was as opposed to taking advantage of all the space in the case.
How'd you get the fans at that diagonal angle?
Nice! That's a lot of machines in one year, what have you done with the other two?
+1 for seeing some server builds on here in addition to gaming rigs
I regret getting a pair of PNY 780s two months ago because if I had stuck with EVGA, I could have used the "step up" program to trade them in for 780ti's at no extra cost. I'm out of luck as it is right?
How do you make backups with only 500GB?
You might want to try setting the RAM at 1600 temporarily and then see if you can push past 4.2mhz. Of course a higher clock speed will benefit you more than fast RAM. (Didn't work for me but hopefully for you I just got an unusually bad chip.)
Yeah, it's too bad because they do say on the internet that it's easily doable, and it should easily be doable with my temps. It's just the stability issue. Maybe we both just got less-than-average chips.
I am using mine as a workstation and would see significant gains from running at higher speeds, but it's my first time OCing too and it is really frustrating booting, waiting for a check, and figuring out which of the several factors could be an issue. In the end I was having stability problems (math errors) that most people online never had.
I think the RAM speed becomes an issue especially in tandem with overclocking, so when I was having trouble, the first thing I did was bring the RAM speeds back down. But the RAM speed issues are well-known with the 3930K, in fact that was one of the few improvements that were in the 4930K.
Did you ever OC to 4.5? I've got a virtually identical build and I'm stuck at 4.2 before it fails OCCT and Prime95.
Thing about this processor is it's picky about RAM, I have 1800mhz RAM but it only runs them at 1600. I was getting instability on OCCT and Prime (but no BSOD or anything) at stock, believe it or not. I was going to try to RMA the processor (even though it could be the motherboard) until I moved up the RAM voltage to 1.575 instead of 1.5. The number I have it at now is the absolute maximum that this processor is rated to accept without damage, though, so if higher CPU frequency means more RAM voltage needed, and that's what's keeping me back, then I'm stuck at 4.2.
My temps are a couple degrees better than yours with the same cooler so I should be able to run 4.5ghz, but it's a shame about the failing OCCT.
Now that is really cool and actually is not totally crazy. Why cram your components into a tiny box when you've got all the airflow in the world in your living room. Harder to modify though, and I wonder how you'd do an SLI bridge with the graphics cards apart like that.
microcenter is incredible. i hope (and have been doing my part to ensure!) they remain profitable against the online retailers because if anyone deserves it, they do. their prices and selection are pretty much the same as newegg, and it's way more fun to be there in person figuring out what you want.
MoH looks better than Mirror's Edge (and steam's a little easier) so PMing eclipse... Thanks for the offer, VIPMaster...
OK that's cool, I didn't know about humble bundles and all I read was that they were like $1. How about Crysis 2+MoH and maybe Dead Space? I gather these are unused steam codes so I just enter it into steam rather than gifting/trading them to my account? Mine is an nvidia coupon I can give you so you can get the steam code yourself.
I'd rather have one or two new games that I can really get into rather than a million OK older ones. I am interested in FPS mostly so not really the Sims, and I don't care about "items" or anything, but if you post a list of games I'd take a look.
whoa, desk actually makes a lot of sense. and even with my full tower case i find myself needing more room. that would certainly provide it, plus airflow!
No thanks, Batman is a $50 game that's not even released yet, so hoping to trade for something at least remotely comparable.
This kind of thing might be a good candidate for running Linux on, to keep storage space, complexity and most importantly costs low, although unfortunately I think Netflix is one of the few things that doesn't work on Linux, so maybe not. I'm sure most people stream video over the internet and that's why there's not really any hard drive space, but I imagine there's room for a 2.5" HDD so you could have any movies you have stored digitally (I don't have many) as well as use this as a home stereo system (most people do have large collections of mp3s that would benefit from being in the living room area as opposed to workstation, I'd think.)
I really applaud you for making this and I am surprised that there hasn't been a huge bidding war for it on ebay--I hope you're able to find a fast buyer at a good mark-up for your efforts. I thought the idea of reusing another object as a computer was so cool that I made a little thread in the case section to inquire about other ideas: http://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/13200-innovative-uses-of-non-computer-cases-for-housing-builds
I've got a Batman AO code, would you want to do Crysis 3 plus another game? I think Crysis goes for something like $30 to Batman's $50.
I enjoy building PCs (as do we all) and I assume there's a small market of gamers who don't know how to build, but know enough to want custom builds. They would, presumably, be willing to pay a small markup for the service, but I question whether the portion of those who'd be willing to pay shipping on top of that is very large at all--and even how one would ship a carefully assembled machine.
I got up to nearly 2500MB in tomb raider last night, actually, so I'm glad to be making use of the 3GB cards. It is hitting 80 degrees and throttling, though. How high temp-wise can I safely run these cards? I nudged the throttling threshold up to 85 degrees.
The cords going from the power supply to the GPUs obviously can't go behind the mb. I do, of course, have a ton of other cables snaked back there.
Exchanged my 680s for 780s today, haven't installed them yet, but this is going to be one top-of-the-line machine. They came with two copies of Batman through Steam, if anyone wants to buy one of the copies for cheap lemme know.
Great job keeping the prices low. I just built a high-end built but was wondering whether PC building could be a way to save money, coming in at prices lower than the standard ones you see at Best Buy and stuff. And at first it seemed there was no way to do it--economy of scale, controlling the supply chain, whatever, they manage to do it infuriatingly cheap, making it so someone like your parents have no reason to go with a custom build. But this is pretty cheap--though part of that's due to the $20 Windows key, which I don't really understand how you got.
The 680s that I have are 2GB. I am either going to exchange them for 770s (2GB, same price) or 780s (3GB, $650 each) since they are still in the return window. It is true that my monitors are 60hz and I'm not buying new ones, so I will not see benefit to increasing FPS past 60. But I will from turning up anti-aliasing, etc. to max. (Unless it turns out that at max settings w/ 780s, FPS are too crappy, in which case if I return to slightly-less-than-max settings with the 780s, I suppose I wouldn't be seeing an advantage of the 770s.
My cables are long enough, the ones running power to the GPU are just TOO long and you can't really bend and tuck them away because they're so thick.
When I bought this I knew the IB-E was coming out (if I recall, it's the same as this one but with like 3.4 base instead of 3.2, or maybe the base is the same and the boost is slightly higher) like 6 weeks later, and honestly I just didn't want to wait. From what I read the improvements aren't that significant, and I figured I could OC it to the same levels as the new IB-E. I figured this price would have been about the same but I had no guarantee of that; one thing that did interest me is whether the price of my chip would have gone down if I did wait until the new one came out. Haswell I don't really care about, I don't know about x99, and no, I'm not going to upgrade, the choice was wait a few weeks for the IB-E or buy now.