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Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need some help with picking the right Motherboard and CPU"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Wellll....Not really. 850W should be enough. Your system is rated at roughly 661w of power. So anything over 700w should be fine. There are recommendations for having enough headroom though, and that is to build a system that only pulls roughly 50% of the power supply rating. It is okay to get closer to the edge if you know what you are doing. I think that 850W is plenty for your system. You can't add 150W worth of hard drives or fans, so you are good to go! 750W is probably a bit light for a dual GPU system, so I would stay with 850W+. :)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Excellent! Should serve you well for many years!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need some help with picking the right Motherboard and CPU"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Hmmm, I don't know how big a deal it really is. Especially with a "lower power" card like a 580. The fact that you are running two of the absolutely gives me pause though. I didn't know about this and I have been recommending the "FOCUS Plus Gold" platform pretty heavily on here as it is a smaller form factor than most fully modular PSU's.

Could you maybe recommend an alternative?

Bitfenix Whisper M series is recommended. Any Gold certified fully modular Power supply from EVGA or Corsair is fine. There is a helper list here. Since you have a dual GPU solution, you absolutely should get a higher tier unit.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah, that was my older "go to" case for recommendations. Only thing I really don't appreciate about it is the wasted space on the front of the case. Nobody uses optical anymore... They are both beauties though.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Okay I asked the people of Reddit if that power connector makes any difference, and the consensus is "no". So ignore all that.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

...Okay?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

On Gen1 and 2 that would be correct, but I take your point that most don't recommend bothering to overclock Ryzen 3rd gen because of how well the boost tech works. I have no clue if the lack of the extra 4 pin will affect the precision boost speeds, so I can't speak to that.

You are thinking too small though. What about next year when next GEN ryzen comes out and fits this board and all he would need is a bios update? Will it still work, or will he have to replace the PSU then as well? What about the next gen AMD GPU that competes with the 2080 or 2080 ti. Wonder if it will do AMD's little thing where they draw a bit too much power through the PCI connector, would it just work, or would he need a new GPU then?

So yes, today it should work fine. However, will it work "fine" going forward? It is an unanswerable question today, that is why I say it is better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

You aren't wrong, but I also think you aren't right. Better to have it and not need it then the alternative.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

For cases, I prefer those that combine beauty and function. The rage for the past couple of years has been "Tempered glass all the things". Guess what happens when you box in hot stuff with glass....it says hot. Especially if you are adding heat.

So, I require TG in the side panel, because acrylic scratches so easily, but you still want to show off all that RGB. I also require some way of bringing in fresh air.

Silverstones Raven series does this with an inverted motherboard and bottom to top airflow.

Fractal Designs Meshify series does this by putting a mesh on the front panel that air can get through and not blocking it in any way. Want more air, just put 3x120mm fans up front! PCPP doesn't list any FD cases in your area, can you source them at a reasonable price? ($100 USD)

The H500M Mesh by Cooler Master is the better choice between it and the H500P. The 500P is another one of those hot box situations, the H500m has mesh up front instead of Glass. (You can still see the RGB fans).

Here is a review by gamersnexus on the Fractal Design Meshify S2. If you scroll down there is a chart comparing many different cases. All the ones that performed well either had good airflow stock, or they removed or added something to change the performance. They also had a scathing/brutal review of the CM H500P here

I like the RL06 by Silverstone, though it is a bit dated looking with LED fans instead of RGB: Black/Red White/Blue
Unfortunately, the RL07 by Silverstone (the "upgraded/newer" model) has a huge hunk of plastic in front of the fans...so...no airflow.
They are again redeemed by their refabbed PM01 billed as the PM01-RGB

Anyway, just some ramblings of a simple man! :)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Cancel the Power supply if you can. It doesn't have the right pins for your motherboard, so it will be starved for a bit of power.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

What have you purchased thus far. There are some changes I would recommend, but there is no point if you have already purchased. (Unless you want to do the return dance).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need some help with picking the right Motherboard and CPU"

  • 4 months ago
  • 2 points

I was wondering if there's a reason why you seem to prefer AMD to intel?

In your price point it definitely is. For me, more cores/threads = longer performance. Intel has the best gaming performance right now (depending upon game and $$$ spent), but for your GPU's it is just academic.

Look at intel CPU's with 6 cores, faster than 2.6Ghz in a similar price point: i5-9400F, i5-9400, or i5-8400. These are all slower, hotter, fewer cores, no SMT, and they are locked parts (so no aftermarket value boost with overclocking). Will an i5-9400F outpeform a Ryzen 7 2700 in some games today, yes. The trend has been for more core support in modern game titles, so I generally give preferential treatment to chips with more cores and/or SMT, because they will stay relevant longer.

IF, your use case was different, like lets say you needed >200 FPS on Call of Duty for professional play, then you would need a more expensive Intel chip (and probably an NVidia GPU). So the situation also dictates the CPU choice.

Also, Is there any difference between:

Only the inclusion of an Integrated WiFi solution on the AC version. (Wireless AC). So it is fine to get the other one, you should hard wire it anyway :)

If I understand correctly, I don't really have to buy the CPU cooler.

Yep, skip it. It will be fine!

What about the Case Fan? Is that also optional?

Sure, it CAN be. I just started spending more money on your budget because it seemed like you wanted that. I included fans in order to not starve the GPU's of fresh air. There is no reason why they have to be $12 apiece. Just get a 3 pack of super cheap ones instead. You can find 120mm case fans 3 packs on amazon for under $12. For some reason PCPP doesn't do a good job of sourcing them.

Now that you have a better idea of what is out there, feel free to get second, or even third opinions from other users. Create a new post and provide the following information:

  • Purchase Location
  • Budget
  • Usage
  • Currently purchased components
  • Specify that it is PC only (no OS, mouse, kb, or monitor needed).

With that information you will get more targeted recommendations, and probably a few Intel options.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need some help with picking the right Motherboard and CPU"

  • 4 months ago
  • 2 points

I've already bought the Crossfire cards, so it's too late to change my mind about that now. (I use 4 monitors and wasn't sure if all 4 would fit in one card - they do btw)

For sure! Just be aware there are a couple of things you may have to deal with. Better performance may be one of them :)

This CPU seems to be on a similar level to i5, but I was hoping for something closer to i7

Sure, with more money you can get near i7 performance, or greater (depends upon workload). At some point you will lose parity with your GPU solution though. Like I think pairing this with an i9 or r9 is a bit silly. What about an 8 core 16 thread Gen2 AMD. The Gen3's that just came out are absolutely faster, but there is a big price premium on them. You save a bunch of money stepping back into a year old processor. Intel's older CPU's SHOULD be cheaper, but they had such a shortage I think it is still affecting things.

Also, would I need anything special for cooling

Stock cooling will be fine on the Ryzen processor. You can for sure upgrade it, there are so many options it is a bit mind boggling. This NZXT cooler I picked has some bad-*** RGB options, if that isn't your bag, then something vastly cheaper will perform the same (and even better in many cases). Like I said, stock cooling is fine, but if you have the budget for a bit more, then you can reduce how loud your system is under load by upgrading it.

and what size would the case have to be?

Using the motherboard I specced, it would have to be ATX size. I probably wouldn't try crossfire with a microATX motherboard, but you CAN probably do so with the new x570 mAtx Asrock offering, it is considerably more expensive.

Thanks for any answer.

Absolutely man! Keep asking questions, even if I don't answer, someone else may.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor $177.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler NZXT Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $139.99 @ B&H
Motherboard ASRock X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard $143.98 @ Newegg
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory Purchased For $0.00
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory Purchased For $0.00
Storage Corsair Force LS 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $0.00
Storage Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For $0.00
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) Purchased For $0.00
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) Purchased For $0.00
Case NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case $86.74 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA G1+ 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $159.99 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $708.59
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-04 21:48 EDT-0400

Note: My prices never include Mail-In-Rebates unless specifically requested.

  • CPU: The CPU impact is workload dependent. In a gaming machine it is mostly limited by the GPU solution. This CPU will offer excellent gaming performance, and also pretty dang good longevity as well!
  • Cooler: This AIO water cooler is pretty highly rater, mostly for the looks end of the spectrum. It has performance chops as well of course. But no better than a high end Air cooler like a beQuiet or Noctua.
  • MOBO: You want an x variant from AMD, or a z variant from Intel if you are doing crossfire! Just for the beefed up power delivery and improved channels offered for this.
  • RAM: Nice!
  • SSD: A little small, but perfectly serviceable!
  • HDD: One of my all time favorite drives!
  • GPU: 2 x RX580. Performance review by the super in-depth GamersNexus
  • Case: This case will have some decent airflow, and front panel type C connector. If that isn't a huge deal to you, then I would probably get a fractal design meshify for the awesome airflow. You don't want to starve the GPU's for cool air or it will degrade performance.
  • PSU: I upgraded this. Obviously 1200w would be better, but they are super duper expensive! This option is gold certified and fully modular. This is a very large physically, so it won't fit and all cases. I toned it down a little below.

Considering the above, this is equally awesome, probably a little better airflow through the case:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor $177.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler $97.49 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard $143.98 @ Newegg
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory Purchased For $0.00
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory Purchased For $0.00
Storage Corsair Force LS 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $0.00
Storage Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For $0.00
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) Purchased For $0.00
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) Purchased For $0.00
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $99.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $172.35 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan Deepcool RF 120 (3 in 1) 56.5 CFM 120 mm Fans $35.77 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $727.46
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-04 22:09 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need some help with picking the right Motherboard and CPU"

  • 4 months ago
  • 2 points

Both AMD and NVidia have just short of totally abandoned SLI/Crossfire support. It is strongly recommended by both that you just get the single fastest card you can afford for gaming.

Now, if you are using this for another purpose, then ignore all that and see what you think of this:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $129.30 @ B&H
Motherboard ASRock X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard $129.99 @ Newegg Business
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory Purchased For $0.00
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory Purchased For $0.00
Storage Corsair Force LS 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $0.00
Storage Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For $0.00
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) Purchased For $0.00
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) Purchased For $0.00
Power Supply EVGA B3 850 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $93.99 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $353.28
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-03 10:10 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "HTPC in Spain"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

You advise me to put 1 TB SSD as I prefer not fiddle in future?

Yeah, I would just skip the 120GB drive if you want. It really won't add much in an era where 1TB SSD's can be had near €100...

Could you point me to one of the list linked?

I put the one I would get in the build below. The intel one is NVME, which frees up one of your 4 SATA ports.

I think Imperious Battlestar has given you an idea of how you can escape with the least investment, and my previous build is a mix.

This one is a bit overboard, but still not ridiculous. Upgraded the processor to one with a smidge more powerful internal GPU, SMT for more simultaneous threads processed, and very slightly faster clocks. Kept the cooler, RAM, MOBO, and finally added the 1TB SDD to install on the back of the MOBO.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor €119.90 @ Amazon Espana
CPU Cooler CRYORIG C7 40.5 CFM CPU Cooler €34.24 @ Amazon Espana
Motherboard ASRock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard €136.82 @ Amazon Espana
Memory *G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory €78.00 @ Amazon Espana
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive €111.20 @ Amazon Espana
Storage Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For €0.00
Case Silverstone ML07B HTPC Case €75.49 @ PC Componentes
Power Supply Corsair SF 450 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply €107.90 @ Corsair
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit €83.83 @ Amazon Espana
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €747.38
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-03 04:23 CEST+0200

if there is a clear advantage

If you foresee this computer storing a considerable amount more media, then maybe something like this makes sense as well:

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/BWFPxr/fractal-design-case-fdcanode304bl

It can fit a total of 6 x 3.5inch HDD like the 4TB one you already have. In addition to that, the case is shaped in such a way that larger (and generally more affordable) power supplies fit. Here is an example of what could fit (Basically quadruple your current storage based on the fact that the motherboard only has 4 SATA ports):

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor €119.90 @ Amazon Espana
CPU Cooler CRYORIG C7 40.5 CFM CPU Cooler €34.24 @ Amazon Espana
Motherboard ASRock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard €136.82 @ Amazon Espana
Memory *G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory €78.00 @ Amazon Espana
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive €111.20 @ Amazon Espana
Storage Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For €0.00
Storage Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive €99.40 @ Amazon Espana
Storage Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive €99.40 @ Amazon Espana
Storage Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive €99.40 @ Amazon Espana
Case Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case €91.82 @ Alternate
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply €113.82 @ Amazon Espana
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit €83.83 @ Amazon Espana
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €1067.83
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-03 05:10 CEST+0200

:)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "HTPC in Spain"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

You didn't state a budget, and I could easily imagine a €1000 overkill build. What I came up with is a bit more sane. There are many things you could do to make this cheaper of course, including reusing your existing case. It is my belief, however, that a substandard external power supply may have "ate" your motherboard, so I decided to beef everything up at least a little.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor €83.99 @ Amazon Espana
CPU Cooler CRYORIG C7 40.5 CFM CPU Cooler €39.91 @ Alternate
Motherboard ASRock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard €136.82 @ Alternate
Memory G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory €78.00 @ Amazon Espana
Storage Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For €0.00
Storage Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For €0.00
Case Silverstone ML07B HTPC Case €75.49 @ PC Componentes
Power Supply Corsair SF 450 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply €107.90 @ Corsair
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit €83.83 @ Amazon Espana
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €605.94
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-02 14:23 CEST+0200

Note: My prices never include Mail-In-Rebates unless specifically requested.

  • CPU: This quad core beast actually has enough gaming chops to work at lower resolutions. About the best value you can find for low cost "gaming", it is also fast enough to do everything else, being a CONSIDERABLE upgrade over your old G3220.
  • Cooler: This can be skipped for now as another way to save money. Everything should be cool and quiet enough, but the stock cooler will likely be audible when it is under a load. This aftermarket cooler will be quieter, even while dissipating more heat. So you can wait on this purchase until you think there is a problem if you like.
  • MOBO: Mini ITX boards are more expensive than their larger brethren. Just like a laptop is more expensive than a similar spec desktop. You pay for the miniaturization for sure. There is a single M.2 port on the rear of the motherboard. This is an additional place you can add a drive. Those drives are normally the easiest upgrades to do (physically), but since it is on the rear of the motherboard, you will have to disassemble the PC enough to get the motherboard out if you wish to take advantage of that. Therefore, if you are wealthy, or just don't want to deal with it in the future, you can go ahead and add an affordable m.2 drive now. (Like one of these)
  • RAM: This is overkill for your use case for sure. 16GB is generally where I look for new PC builds to be in 2019, but you could easily get away with 8GB instead. For compatibility reasons it is a tiny bit better to get them in the same "kit", and I thought 16GB will serve you now, and well into the future.
  • SSD: Your existing drive will work for the OS. 120GB is a bit constricting in 2019, but it sounds like you don't have it loaded with a bunch of 30GB games either :P
  • HDD: Use your existing, sounds like it is near full (I know the feeling).
  • GPU: Integrated powerful GPU cores in the CPU should work fine for the foreseeable future.
  • Case: This case is very low volume, like your current case. It can fit your existing SSD and 4TB 3.5 inch drive, and another 2 x 2.5inch "laptop" drives as well (Like these). In case you need more space in the future, you still have an upgrade path. If you want to get away from the "low profile" PlayStation looking cases, there are many which are more square. This results in them being able to offer different compatibility. Such as more drives, larger factor PSU, and even better cooling. All of those improvements at at the cost of volume of course.
  • PSU: This replaces the low quality power brick you were using previously. This is 100% internal with only a cord coming off of it. Fully modular make it much easier to work with in small cases. Platinum "80 plus" rating tells you will be be more efficient. This is a place where some savings can take place. A non-modular version can be had for much less.
  • OS: I included a license. You might look into a cheaper option such as upgrading your windows 7 license. I believe that upgrade path is closed though.
  • Keyboard/Mouse: existing k400.

Hope this helps, or at least gives you some options to think about!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Looking for bang for buck"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

For editing, he would probably get more out of a 1660 ti than an RX Vega 56. Depending upon if the editing can be massively parallel via CUDA or not. +1 either way, this is the right build idea.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Looking for bang for buck"

  • 4 months ago
  • 2 points

This will be excellent for 1080p gaming for quite some time. Also consider gtx 1660.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $133.00 @ B&H
Motherboard ASRock B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard $88.99 @ Newegg
Memory *GeIL EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $59.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $94.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card PowerColor Radeon RX 580 8 GB Video Card $169.99 @ Newegg
Case Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case $44.99 @ B&H
Power Supply SeaSonic EVO Edition 620 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $74.99 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $666.84
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-01 02:29 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Multipurpose beast pc for playing Cyberpunk 2077 and heavy software/game development"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

That means that I would be able to change the colors of all my RGB components from my pc with software only if they're somehow connected to the 12v ARGB port in the motherboard?

Yep. You can only use the AsRock "POLYCHROME" RGB software on stuff that is connected to the motherboard. All 3 RGB devices I put in the build are 12 volt. There is a single 12V RGB header.

Is there a limit as of how many components I can plug into that single 12v ARGB port using splitters?

Asrock specification says it is a 12volt 3AMP port, so as long as you didn't exceed that, i would think it would be fine. The splitter I recommended adds power via SATA power connection (like you will need for your HDD), so this would make those limitations no longer a concern.

What about the Addressable LED Header, can I get some RGB on that port as well?

Sure. That is a different voltage port though. That takes the 3pin RGB instead of the 4pin. So it won't work with the fans, cooler, or case. I'm sure you can find plenty of things it will work with.

Why do I actually need a x570 motherboard, how is that related to my build?

There are a ton of things that go into this answer!

TL;DR: I think it offers the right value for your build. Other options would be ITX or ATX.

In Depth:
A motherboard has a chipset and a CPU socket. The CPU socket is where the CPU plugs in, and the chipset defines the features available to the motherboard. The mainstream AMD platform has been the AM4 socket since first gen Ryzen launched in 2017. Any Ryzen CPU will fit into any AM4 AMD motherboard. However, each new processor launch has come with a new chipset (usually 3: expensive, value, and meh. They start with an 'X', 'B', or 'A'. For example, first gen Ryzen had: X370, B350, A320).

The current chipset is x570. This is the expensive/top tier platform. It is normal for them to launch several months before "value" and "meh" are released. (People that can afford next gen CPU's are generally looking for top tier MOBO's to go with it, it makes sense). Now, this new CPU might work fine in a first or second gen motherboard, however, it may or may not need a bios update in order to be supported. (AMD has a lending program where they will loan you a crappy cpu to use in order to update the bios in the motherboard. Some super high end motherboards don't require the processor to be installed in order to do so.) This is because current motherboard manufacturers don't know what future products will be released. (And even if AMD themselves knew, which they generally don't, adding it to the micro-code would be the same as giving a competitive advantage to Intel).

So yes, there are lots of x570 motherboards that came out with Ryzen 3rd Gen. All the others ones are itx or atx. In addition, there are many x470 motherboards that came out with Ryzen 2nd Gen. All of them are itx or atx, and they might require a bios update to use a 3rd Gen processor. There are many mAtx B450 (value) motherboards that came out with Ryzen 2nd Gen. These may also require a bios update, and even with that, you may leave some performance on the table. This gamersnexus comparison between all the chipsets might be useful to you.

I might also point out, Intel has changed their CPU socket with each new release. This means even if they would, in theory, work with older sockets, they are not allowed to. If you are building something new it isn't a big deal, just get the latest and greatest and be done with it. It is kinda nice for all those guys and gals that built first or second gen ryzen computers, they can just buy the new CPU and drop it in getting most of the performance and efficiency gains of a whole new build!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "$1,000 Cyberpunk 2077 Build?"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

Resolution of monitor matters most for what GPU should be selected. 1080P = Rx 590 or 1660. High refresh 1080p = 1660 ti. 1440P = RX 5700 or RX 2060 minimum. 4k....out of budget, but 2080 ti preferred.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Multipurpose beast pc for playing Cyberpunk 2077 and heavy software/game development"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

There is a single 12v ARGB port on the motherboard, so if you want to use software to control all the rbg in your build, you need to split that header in 3. This is not required for the build to be complete, just an ease of use thing.

The deepcool fans come with a controller they can plug into. You can manually configure the deepcool fans with that. This system is 12v ARGB.

The case comes with a controller for the rgb on the front. Instead of plugging into the splitter you can manually control the front with that. This system is 12v ARGB.

I suspect the cpu cooler has no controller, that is okay, it is for sure 12V ARGB, so you could just plug into the single Mobo port and control only this with software.

There are splitters that are much cheaper and are only wires. One 4 pin plug turns into three 4 pin connectors, etc).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Multipurpose beast pc for playing Cyberpunk 2077 and heavy software/game development"

  • 4 months ago
  • 2 points

Will this GPU + CPU be enough for streaming and playing the games I mentioned at 1440p? Wouldn't the GTX 1660 + i9 be a better choice or any other more powerful non ray-tracing GPU with my budget?

Nope, the streaming part takes CPU cores, and you will already have headroom since this is an 8 core 16 thread part. The 1660 ti is the perfect card for high refresh rate 1080P gaming, it doesn't do all that great after you jump to 1440P. There is a German website named http://ComputerBase.de that keeps on top of things. They have a TON of benchmarks freely available in many resolutions. You can see their up to date recommendations here: https://www.computerbase.de/thema/grafikkarte/rangliste/. Translated to english, the section reads "Recommendations for WQHD". So they even go for a lower end than the 5700 XT. Seems like the Vanilla 5700 is fine. For a little more money you can get a RTX 2060 super which would also be great in this resolutions. Scroll down to the "The graphics cards from mainstream to high-end in the benchmark" section, and change the resolution on the chart from 1920x1080 to 2560x1440.

Do you think that AMD will make ray-tracing GPU's in the future? If it's not the case, will a FreeSync monitor would actually matter if I used an Nvidia ray-tracing card in the future?

Yes, if only for the hype. I will say that all AMD cars are capable of ray tracing. What NVidia did was make special cores JUST for ray tracing. Those cores have no other value in the card. So I would say it generally isn't a top priority, because it will either increase the die size of GPU, or reduce its general performance. That cost is too high for AMD at the moment. NVidia has started supporting Adaptive Sync technology instead of just GSync. The monitor I linked supports that as well, so yes, you can use this monitor with a GSync Enabled GPU provided it is new enough. (I link to a review below, they have details).

I think I actually want more grey to grey rating and refresh/response times rather than color accuracy on my monitor. What would be a good monitor at the same price range (420 ~ 460 euros) with the least refresh/response times (<=2ms) and input lag at 1440p?

Sure, this just means you would generally want a "TN" panel. There are several options that support all that. I will say this though, I believe that IPS panel I found will work for you. DisplayNinja.com took a look at both monitors. IPS Acer Review and the slightly cheaper TN AOC review. If you are dead-set on a TN panel, I would get one of the ones near the same price. (The AOC and Asus).

When I read the details on your first build, I realize I actually care about at least one Type-C port and a one Type-A port available on the front of the case. I don't see this case has them. Do you know any other case that would? I would rather mini or micro ATX, but if for this I need a bigger case, then I would go with that.

Ah. This is currently a rare trait in a case. There are plenty that have it, but they tend to be the larger ATX kind of case. The InWin 301C case does have it though (Though not the original 301). Here is a full list of the cases that show they have a tempered glass side panel and a type c connector on top. As you can see, the 301C is currently the only micro ATX chassis like that.

What if, while keeping all the previous conditions, we added some RGB and went with a 1TB SSD + 1TB HDD?

Sure, I would even go with a 2.5inch HDD like what goes in a laptop. That way you can add another 2.5 or 3.5 inch HDD later. (Make sure you put the 2.5 inch one hanging from the bottom.

Here is an updated build:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor €356.89 @ TopAchat
CPU Cooler SilentiumPC Navis RGB 240 Liquid CPU Cooler €64.00 @ Amazon France
Motherboard ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard €215.89 @ Alternate
Memory *Crucial Ballistix Sport AT 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory €165.59 @ Amazon France
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive €119.58 @ Amazon France
Storage Samsung Spinpoint M8 1 TB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive €44.03 @ Amazon France
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card €441.95 @ Amazon France
Case In Win 301C MicroATX Mini Tower Case €82.73 @ Amazon France
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply €119.54 @ Amazon France
Case Fan Deepcool RF 120 (3 in 1) 56.5 CFM 120 mm Fans €35.90 @ Amazon France
Monitor Acer XV272U Pbmiiprzx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor €427.41 @ Cdiscount
Keyboard Ducky Shine 4 Wired Gaming Keyboard €39.90 @ Amazon France
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum Wired Optical Mouse €68.99 @ Amazon France
Custom XSPC 8 Way 4 pin 12V Addressable RGB Splitter HUB - Black €23.77 @ Amazon France
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €2206.17
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-26 17:40 CEST+0200
  • I even threw in a splitter. You can run all 5 RGB fans off of it. It has SATA power, which you PROBABLY won't need as the header itself supports like 3Amps, but I would use it just in case. Plus it looks great and should be easier to find a spot for. I'm sure you can find it on amazon fr. They have a white one too. Watch out though, you need the 4 pin 12v version not the 5v or 3pin version. There are plenty on there by other manufacturers as well.
  • I would buy that keyboard now. It's price is normally €65+.

Hope this helps, send me a link when you build it, even if you go a different direction! :-)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Multipurpose beast pc for playing Cyberpunk 2077 and heavy software/game development"

  • 4 months ago
  • 2 points

Targeting 1440P, with a HDD configuration that makes more sense to me. Another great small case option in your price range, and dropped RGB. (This case is much larger than the inwin of course, but most are).

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor €356.89 @ TopAchat
CPU Cooler SilentiumPC Navis RGB 240 Liquid CPU Cooler €64.00 @ Amazon France
Motherboard ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard €215.89 @ Alternate
Memory *Crucial Ballistix Sport AT 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory €165.59 @ Amazon France
Storage Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive €226.49 @ Amazon France
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card €441.95 @ Amazon France
Case Fractal Design Define Mini C TG MicroATX Mid Tower Case €84.99 @ Cdiscount
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply €123.90 @ TopAchat
Monitor Acer XV272U Pbmiiprzx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor €427.41 @ Cdiscount
Keyboard Ducky Shine 4 Wired Gaming Keyboard €59.00 @ Amazon France
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum Wired Optical Mouse €68.99 @ Amazon France
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €2235.10
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-26 04:32 CEST+0200

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Multipurpose beast pc for playing Cyberpunk 2077 and heavy software/game development"

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

I'm gonna take another crack at this with 60fps 1440p. The best of those monitors that support gsync are like €1k, but there are many good ips options under 500€. Hell, I'll even go with AMD GPU so you can see your options without ray tracing. (Same panel that supports freesync is like 150€ to 400€ cheaper!)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Multipurpose beast pc for playing Cyberpunk 2077 and heavy software/game development"

  • 4 months ago
  • 2 points

Also I would get some of these and some of these and maybe this or something like it.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Multipurpose beast pc for playing Cyberpunk 2077 and heavy software/game development"

  • 4 months ago
  • 2 points

I started with a 12 core Threadripper micro-atx build, but realized I had to go another way when I hit your budget and still needed a monitor...

This is what I ended up with:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor €356.89 @ TopAchat
CPU Cooler SilentiumPC Navis RGB 240 Liquid CPU Cooler €64.00 @ Amazon France
Motherboard ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard €215.89 @ Alternate
Memory *Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory €161.33 @ Amazon France
Storage Corsair MP510 960 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive €160.89 @ Alternate
Storage Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive €99.38 @ Amazon France
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card €549.99 @ Amazon France
Case In Win 301C MicroATX Mini Tower Case €84.95 @ Amazon France
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply €117.21 @ Amazon France
Case Fan Deepcool RF 120 (3 in 1) 56.5 CFM 120 mm Fans €35.90 @ Amazon France
Monitor LG 34UC79G-B 34.0" 2560x1080 144 Hz Monitor €464.03 @ Amazon France
Keyboard Ducky Shine 4 Wired Gaming Keyboard €39.90 @ Amazon France
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum Wired Optical Mouse €68.99 @ Amazon France
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €2419.35
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-22 15:24 CEST+0200

Note: My prices never include Mail-In-Rebates unless specifically requested.

  • CPU: While this option is "only" 8 core 16 thread, that should be sufficient for your work, and for your play. There are a couple of Ryzen 3rd Gen processors that are faster, but they boost within 200mhz or so of this one, so I deemed it not worth the price increase. Obviously, the Ryzen 9 chip is 12 core 24 thread as well as being slightly faster, but it is significantly more expensive.
  • Cooler: I was not familiar with this brand so I looked up some reviews. Here in the US the market is constrained by Patents held by Asetek (and coolit), so pricing in the EU is WAY better. This closed loop liquid cooler will be easy to work with, and will cool your CPU just fine. Mount it to the front of the case with the fans exhausting toward the front of the case. (a review of the unit.)
  • MOBO: There is nothing else that is x570 and MicroAtx. This IS a really good board though. 2 x m.2 slots and everything.
  • RAM: Used a filter, 32GB of RAM is plenty for now. You only need a little over 8GB for gaming. The 32GB is in case you need to split some off for VM's and the like. This RAM is a little faster which Ryzen appreciates. You will need to enable the XMP profile in the bios to get this speed. There are tons of guides on youtube to get max RAM speed out of Ryzen 3rd gen.
  • SSD: This SSD carries a 5 year warranty and it is plenty large enough. I would not skimp on your OS drive as I find it to be a pain to re-install/configure windows the way I like it.
  • HDD: The case can fit a single 3.25 inch drive. I'd go for a large one. If you actually need a lot of storage for work, then it is probably time to invest in a NAS or AWS storage. A single fail-prone HDD in your build is not a great solution for "money projects".
  • GPU: There are not enough RTX cores to make a difference on modern hardware. AKA, it will absolutely kill your FPS to enable it. But, it might be fun to play around with, so here is a 2070. Really for standard 1080P gaming, this card is massive overkill, and for the next step up 1440P gaming, it is barely enough. Strange spot to be in for a GPU.
  • Case: This is actually a small mAtx case. Many of the so-called mAtx cases are so large, you could actually fit an ATX motherboard in there. Obviously this comes with trade-offs. For instance, it doesn't support that many drives. This case has a lot of features to love though. It is truly small for one! In fact, it is SMALLER than some cases that are supposed to only support mini-itx!!! It features an easy open side panel, and front panel USB type C support. It does do some RGB on the front as well.
  • PSU: High wattage, very small size (140mm vs the standard 160mm) fully modular, gold rated, highly recommend. You can save a few € with a 750w model, 850w is a bit overkill.
  • OS: You will supply the OS i am sure.
  • Monitor: You can spend way less on a monitor if you want. This is a nice curved panel, high refresh rate 1080p IPS panel. IPS has better color reproduction, usually at the expense of responsiveness. (TN panels have the quickest grey to grey rating and refresh/response times at the cost of color accuracy).
  • Keyboard: Just get any mechanical keyboard with Cherry MX switches. If this ducky shine is actually 40€ snatch it up, it would be a bargain at twice the price!!!!
  • Mouse: Logitech is my go-to for pointing devices. I very much prefer them to anything else. They tend to be a little pricey though, so if you are a claw grip individual there are plenty of options on offer for less.
  • Case Fans: The case comes with 0 fans. It has room for 5. These three should be installed as intakes on the bottom and rear of the chassis.

An option for you to consider:
Drop the GPU from a 2070 super down to a 1660 ti. It will do just fine at 1080p gaming, and it is considerably cheaper. (Gigabyte Model 300€). It has no ray-tracing cores though. Once RTX matures a little more in the future, and ray tracing makes more sense, sell (or re-purpose) the 1660 and get into a 300€-500€ card when it makes sense!
Drop the pretty factor RGB fans for something cheaper. You should still add case fans as this case comes with none.
Skip the 4TB HDD and just use the 1TB SSD for now. When you start running out of space, get a second m.2 SSD and plug it into the motherboard. Super simple upgrade, takes about 3 minutes and most of that time will be unboxing it :). Or you can ADD a large HDD later if you want, though that would require cable routing and such for the SATA data and power cables.
I have a bunch of RGB stuff in this build, and probably not enough 12V headers...So don't go plugging stuff into the board willy nilly. The fans, pump, and case all come with controllers, so start with that. * Here is a video review of the case for a closer look. This is the older non-RGB version though. youtube link

Comment reply on Forum Topic "New PC Build $1700"

  • 5 months ago
  • 1 point

So...that monitor is 1080P. Not that hard to hit for any $200 GPU. 240hz refresh rate, yeah, that is a ton for Ryzen to try and hit.

I would say your absolute best bet is something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $359.00 @ B&H
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler $89.90 @ B&H
Motherboard MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $139.92 @ B&H
Memory *Team Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $59.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $184.99 @ Newegg
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card $279.99 @ Newegg
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $91.08 @ Amazon
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $105.14 @ Amazon
Case Fan Deepcool RF 120 (3 in 1) 56.5 CFM 120 mm Fans $32.99 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1343.00
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-21 16:41 EDT-0400

Obviously get rid of the RGB fans to save some money. I see no reason why at 1660 ti can't pull off the rates you are talking about. There is room in your budget to get a much better card, such as a 2080 if you are interested.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Mobile $1000 Pc"

  • 5 months ago
  • 1 point

Just select a case with a handle. That is way way better for moving them around than anything else.

I have built in cases with handles, and those that are just mini itx SFF, so I am speaking from experience.

Mini Itx:

  • Corsair 380T
  • Silverstone ML08-H (This case is likely the least volume out of them all.)
  • LianLi PC-TU200

Micro Atx:

Atx:

Comment reply on Forum Topic "[SMALL FORM FACTOR]"

  • 5 months ago
  • 2 points

No problem! My next build will for sure be MicroAtx so I enjoy playing around with the options!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "[SMALL FORM FACTOR]"

  • 5 months ago
  • 1 point

How small did you want to go? Does it have to be mini Itx? Did you just want it to be easily portable?

Here, as an alternative to the nice builds by ImperiousBattlestar, this is what I was thinking:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $181.50 @ shopRBC
Motherboard ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $108.95 @ Vuugo
Memory Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $81.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $128.50 @ Vuugo
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3 GB Windforce OC Video Card Purchased For $0.00
Case BitFenix Prodigy M Cobalt Blue MicroATX Mini Tower Case $89.88 @ Amazon Canada
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $116.75 @ Vuugo
Case Fan Apevia 12L-CWH 57.67 CFM 120 mm Fan $6.45 @ Newegg Canada
Case Fan Apevia 12L-CWH 57.67 CFM 120 mm Fan $6.45 @ Newegg Canada
Case Fan Apevia 12L-CWH 57.67 CFM 120 mm Fan $6.45 @ Newegg Canada
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $726.92
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-19 08:38 EDT-0400

Note: My prices never include Mail-In-Rebates unless specifically requested.

  • CPU: 6 cores/12 threads. Like I.B. already said, this is better for a mixed workload, and considering how well AMD CPU's with more threads are holding up compared with their lower thread count Intel counterparts, I believe it should give you more longevity as well. Bit of a gamble of course.
  • Cooler: Stock should be adequate. If it is a bit loud there are many shorter tower coolers that will still fit in this case. (like the Scythe Ninja).
  • MOBO: Has a bunch of headers, and even better, 2 x M.2 slots.
  • RAM: Spent a smidge more to get 3000mhz instead of 2666. AMD likes the speeds.
  • SSD: Not breaking any speed barriers with this one, but it IS m.2, and it IS Nvme! M.2 SSD's plug directly into the motherboard (like RAM does) and don't require a separate power source. Number of Sata data cables needed in build = 0.
  • HDD: None.
  • GPU: Yours is perfectly serviceable.
  • Case: This is what I built my son's computer in a couple of years ago. I knew at his age he would be "on the go" soon, and probably moving around a little. Cases like this are actually easier to carry and maneuver than many smaller ITX cases due to the handles. While it does support a couple of standard size HDD's, and that would be the cheapest way to get more storage, in cases this size that comes with a tradeoff. In this case you would have to remove the bottom fan(s) for each one. Now laptop HDD's/Any SSD, they have more options. Specifically the side panel will let you install 2 of them. It also comes with a HDD rail, so that is another option. I just remove it as it is visible through the window.
  • PSU: This is a bit more expensive than some other options that would work, the difference is this platform is a whole 20mm shorter than the competition. While they are 160mm (which is a standard size), this guy is only 140mm. This extra space will come in handy when plugging in cables and such, and won't interfere with the graphics card as bad as the Corsair I installed in my son's. In addition, due to the way I planned the other components, you will only need to run a couple of cables. Sata power cable = 0, Molex = 0.
  • Fans: The fans are just for fun. The case is optimized for reverse airflow. So put two fans up top, and one on the rear, all as cool air intake. Take the rear fan and put it on the bottom. Both of them should be exhaust. Oh yeah, the fans glow white. I know you don't care, but most el-cheapo fans glow in some way or another.

Edit: Forgot to mention, you can usually find that brand of fan in 3 packs for a decent discount. PCPP doesn't see to find those for some reason.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First gaming pc under $800"

  • 5 months ago
  • 1 point

Here, something similar to this maybe:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor $163.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler be quiet! Pure Rock 51.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $35.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard Biostar B350GT5 ATX AM4 Motherboard $85.89 @ OutletPC
Memory *Team Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $67.89 @ OutletPC
Storage *Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $94.99 @ B&H
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card $279.99 @ Newegg
Case Thermaltake V200 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case Purchased For $0.00
Power Supply Rosewill 700 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $65.88 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $794.42
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-09 23:17 EDT-0400

You want as many cores as possible. This is the cheapest way to 8 cores 16 threads. (WTF is going on with the 1700, it was like $20 cheaper than the 1700x a week ago, must be out of stock or something).

Went with a decent aftermarket cooler.

Motherboard is the weakest part of the system, could use some improvement.

1TB SSD makes it easy to dump a HDD in there in the future.

There is some 3200mhz ram just slightly more expensive.

1660 ti with an excellent aftermarket cooler. A 5700 would serve you well too.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First gaming pc under $800"

  • 5 months ago
  • 1 point

+1 jup

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First gaming pc under $800"

  • 5 months ago
  • 1 point

On mobile, forgive formatting.

Do you just have the single 120mm exhaust fan and no front fans? Corsair is selling their low end fans for like $5 apiece. I would probably pop one or two of those in the front for intake if you are.

Extreme Value would be
$130 Ryzen 1600.
$70 Micro atx b350 or b450 motherboard.
$60 psu.
$60 3000mhz ram.
$100 SSD.
$380 Nvidia 1160 ti.

Something like that. Definitely looking at Ryzen for the extra cores for streaming.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "~$600 pc build."

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

Looks perfect! Ship it :)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "~$600 pc build."

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

I'll take a crack at it.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $135.98 @ Newegg
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $74.98 @ Newegg
Memory GeIL - EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $59.99 @ Newegg
Storage ADATA - Ultimate SU650 960 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $92.99 @ Newegg
Video Card Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 4 GB AORUS 4G Video Card $169.99 @ Newegg
Case Thermaltake - Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case $41.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $49.98 @ Newegg
Case Fan Apevia - 312L-CGN 57.67 CFM 120 mm Fans $14.99 @ Newegg Business
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $640.89
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-21 20:28 EDT-0400

Note: My prices never include Mail-In-Rebates unless specifically requested.

  • CPU: This is really in a sweet spot right now for budget builds. Not only will it perform better than any 4 core 4 thread i5, it might even edge out some older 4 core 8 thread i7's! The value is so compelling no other processor should be on your list.
  • Cooler: The 2600 will come with a cooler. As long as you keep the case cool, this will be more than sufficient for stock speeds, and maybe a little bump as well.
  • MOBO: Well reviewed value board. mAtx will save you some space and money. No reason to have a giant hunk of ATX case sitting around empty.
  • RAM: I argued with myself a little here. You can PROBABLY get away with 1 x 8GB stick for now, and add more later as needed. Considering that only cuts like $28 from the budget I was like F it, RAM sold in pairs is better for Ryzen anyway (as it is very picky). This RAM is even 3000 mhz, which you will undoubtedly need to enable in the bios. Probably run at either 2933, or overclock to 3200.
  • SSD: Ignoring the advice of Zerk2012, my preference is to start with an SSD, and then add a cheap $50 3TB drive later when you run out of space. Doesn't require you to reinstall windows, just shut down the computer, pop in the extra drive, and reboot. Boom, 2-3TB of extra space. (The pain in the *** is porting games over from your boot drive. Most the game clients like Steam have an easy way to do so though).
  • HDD: Not for now, save your money till your boot drive is 70% full (or so).
  • GPU: So this derives gaming performance. Find a 580, 590, or 1060 used and you will be good to go for 1080p gaming!
  • Case: Smallish case with a single rear exhaust fan. The proverbial "little black box". This instance is mAtx like the motherboard so it won't take up as much space. Has plenty of room on the front for a couple of intake fans.
  • Fans: These fans are SUPER cheap. This means you get 3 of them for the price of a single fan from some more expensive competitors. Add 2 of them to the front for intake, and store 1 of them in a drawer for when one of the 2 goes bad in a year :P Seriously, one of them will probably fail. That being said, many of my blue LED Apevia fans are still spinning in my HTPC 10 years after purchase....

There are many different ways to go here, the basic idea is get as much computer as you can for the price, and maybe make it easy to upgrade. This system minus GPU would be fine up to 4k resolution with a 2080 ti, at which point it would likely do you well to upgrade/update.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Gaming / Programming / Photo Editing PC - $1500 USD - July 2019"

  • 6 months ago
  • 2 points

GC- Does the evga 2070 Super OC edition justify the extra cost? If not will the basic version do fine?

In my opinion, no. I just get the base. You can get another 5-6% in extreme cases. Usually it is 0-2% performance uplift. To me, that is not justified with a $50-$200 premium.

There are other things to consider. Some coolers are blower style, and those work better in small form factor cases much of the time. Otherwise it is better to have a better cooling solution like those with multiple fans. In a larger case like we are recommending for you, there is no reason to get the blower style cooler unless aftermarket options just aren't available. (For every GPU sold to a consumer, an OEM like Dell buys multiple, and blower style works better in their air bereft cases. So NVidia and AMD both come out with a blower style first, generally speaking. Then aftermarket partners like Asus or EVGA play with it and try to do a better job.)

CPU - I am still undecided if I should get the 3900x for running VMs which would benefit from the extra cores or if I should just get the 3700x.

I think in the end your budget will determine this. If you are WILLING to spring for the 3900x, I would go ahead and do so. I don't think you will see much, if any, gaming performance uplift, but your workload DOES prefer core count, and I don't believe the extra cores will lie dormant by any stretch of the imagination.

PSU - EVGA G3 650 80+ Gold seems to be solid.

Rock solid PSU.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Gaming / Programming / Photo Editing PC - $1500 USD - July 2019"

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

RAM - I went ahead and bought a DDR4 3200 Crucial from the previous suggestions. I belive there shouldnt be a huge performance difference or do you suggest I get the 3600 from yours?

Couple of percentage. How much did you get?

COOLER - What do I do with the Wraith Prism cooler that comes along? And is there a RGB version if I decide to bling out the build?

Oh, you want RGB. There are a metric butt-ton of options then.

GPU - Im planning to get the 2070 Super. Should I just get the founders edition? Any super is better. It is basically a cut down 1080 rather than than a dedicated smaller surface area GPU like the 2070.

Thank you for the KB/Mouse/Headphones/OS - I have those and plan to resuse existing setup.

Ah, I took that differently in your original post.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Gaming / Programming / Photo Editing PC - $1500 USD - July 2019"

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

List 2:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $329.99 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler Scythe - Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler $52.04 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock - X570 Steel Legend ATX AM4 Motherboard $199.99 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill - Sniper X 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $156.99 @ Newegg
Storage Crucial - RealSSD C300 128 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $0.00
Storage Intel - 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $94.99 @ Newegg
Video Card Asus - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB STRIX GAMING OC Video Card $449.99 @ Newegg
Case Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $96.99 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $99.90 @ Newegg
Monitor HP - 24UH 24.0" 1920x1080 60 Hz Monitor Purchased For $0.00
Keyboard G.Skill - RIPJAWS KM780R Wired Gaming Keyboard $69.99 @ Newegg
Mouse Logitech - G502 Proteus Spectrum Wired Optical Mouse $47.19 @ Amazon
Headphones Kingston - HyperX Cloud Alpha Headset $79.99 @ Newegg
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1678.05
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-20 01:10 EDT-0400

Note: My prices never include Mail-In-Rebates unless specifically requested.

  • CPU: 8 cores and 16 threads at a decent price point. Now, you CAN get into a much much cheaper 8 core 16 thread system if you jump back a generation to the R7 2700. Might leave as much as 20% performance on the table for lightroom though.
  • Cooler: Small(ish), quiet, decent performer. Jump into big air for better performance.
  • MOBO: Very solid x570 motherboard. Includes PCI 4.0 (which matters not ATM). Several m.2 slots, and plenty of other expansion.
  • RAM: 32GB is probably the minimum I would recommend for you considering your use case. Ryzen doesn't really like a ton of large kits, so this one should do for 3600mhz or so.
  • SSD: Not a speed demon, but it will do just fine. Plugs directly into the motherboard. Any SSD is much faster than a HDD, and will make zero difference in your workflow.
  • SSD2: Thrown in your Crucial drive to use for scratch space if applicable. Or to run a VM off of separate.
  • HDD: Just get whatever is cheap. Nothing of permanent importance should be kept here.
  • GPU: Okay, this determines gaming performance. A 2070 is pretty much overkill for 1080p gaming. Run every game at max settings. Now, once you decide on a 1440p (2k) monitor, you won't have to change your GPU. Just hook that monitor up too (dual monitors FTW) and play on. Might have to lower a few settings in some games, made up for with the wonderful higher resolution though.
  • Case: This beauty has a tempered glass panel and is well reviewed. Good airflow from the front of the case to the back through a mesh panel on front.
  • PSU: I am a PSU snob. They are important. In your budget, only consider gold certified or better fully modular units. Prefer units that are well reviewed.
  • OS: I'm assuming you have a win 10 key from your old computer which will be applicable to this one.
  • Monitor: existing
  • Keyboard: Cheapest mechanical keyboard with cherry MX switches. If you have never used a mechanical keyboard before.....you should be.
  • Mouse: I think logitech makes the best pointing devices. (Clicking around with my G500s now, so I put my money where my mouth is). This is a larger mouse suitable for a palm or claw grip. Better for palm I would say. Corsair makes the best claw grip mice.
  • Headphones: I prefer wireless headsets. I got sick of having them ripped off my head, or running over the cord with my chair. That being said, I use corsair RGB void pro's at home, and Skullcandy Hesh 2 Wireless (bluetooth) at work. I prefer the skullcandy. The Void pros are a little loose on my head, and they are open back. So I put in this recommendation as the last wired headset I used was Kingston HyperX, and I really like them.

Comment reply on Laowai92's Completed Build: Ruby

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

Very nice.

Super simple to drop in an RTX 5080 ti in a couple of years and dominate at 8K gaming lol. Seriously though, this has some legs on it, and should be a solid gaming machine for many years to come.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "suggestions for my pc 2k budget for all"

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

As stated, they release early next month. Leaks show the new chips beating up on Intel at most price points, but you need to wait for hardware reviews before pulling the trigger.

We are all kinda holding our collective breath at this point. It is a terrible time to purchase anything at all. 2 weeks and the path forward will be much clearer.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "suggestions for my pc 2k budget for all"

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

What games do you play? Do you have a preferred type such as esports titles like Cs:go or strategy. Or are you more of an RPG type? Could be any and everything as well.

Answers to those questions direct you to gpu, CPU, and monitor selection. It cascades from there.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NEW BUILD"

  • 7 months ago
  • 1 point

Ah, true. I didn't realize CS:GO was the target.

In that case, best bet is super duper high refresh rate 1080p with an intel processor. You want to push the framerate up into the 200FPS range and get a monitor that can display something like 165hz+.

Most other games that come out now and into the future should be more efficient with core usage. (now that 6 cores/12 threads are "mainstream").

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NEW BUILD"

  • 7 months ago
  • 1 point

You didn't specify a Monitor resolution. This will perform better than any system with a 2060 or 1160 in it @1440 resolution:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor €234.90 @ Amazon France
Motherboard Asus - PRIME B450M-A Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard €79.90 @ Amazon France
Memory G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory €76.89 @ Alternate
Storage ADATA - Ultimate SU650 960 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive €89.00 @ Amazon France
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card €507.51 @ Amazon France
Case Silverstone - PS15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case €76.90 @ LDLC
Power Supply SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply €95.30 @ Amazon France
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €1160.40
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-17 02:18 CEST+0200

All prices from France. Is there a better PCPP site to pull?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NEW BUILD"

  • 7 months ago
  • 1 point

Wish you would have included a link...

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Strategy gamer build £800"

  • 7 months ago
  • 1 point

If it wasn't so close to launch, I would just say 'meh, but what you can now and damn the consequences'. There are ALWAYS new products being released! The flip side of that is, the new architecture will be released for purchase very soon. The new x570 chipset comes with some compelling new features, and x570 > x470 > b450 I recommended in this build. (the 'b' is for budget :))

If you are willing to wait, then do so till the 7th of July, I cannot imagine the processor I suggested going up in price before then. Even if it does, the new processors will spank it in performance and still not cost an arm and a leg. source. Plan on spending $160(USD) or so for the x570 chipset. That is considerably more expensive than the B350 board I recommended for you with 2nd gen Ryzen. You will have several to pick from with integrated wireless components. To buy now:

  • Case - whenever you want, pull that trigger. I recommend watching a couple of reviews on HardwareCanucks youtube. They are absolutely brutal and can find fault with even a perfect case. Helps you determine what you are looking for IMO.
  • Power Supply - these are tricky. The PSU I recommended is nowhere near the "best of the best". Those units are reserved, in my mind, with units that have been well reviewed by the likes of Johnny Guru. (Again, brutal reviews of power units they receive. They take them the **** apart and review the internal circuitry!!!)
  • RAM - Hmmm. This is a bit of a conundrum. The new chipset is supposed to be able to support much faster speed of RAM. RAM speed really doesn't matter much for Intel, but AMD seems to capitalize on increased speeds. a youtube source. We really need some offcial reviews. What if 3400mhz+ RAM increases your FPS by like 9%. Might be worth it!
  • SSD - If you see any SSD go on sale with 1TB of space (or thereabouts) feel free to jump on that too. The SSD I recommended is still SATA, faster SSD's are NVME, which run on PCIE lanes. (Like your graphics card). Gonna be hard to tell the difference outside of a benchmark, so unless you have a ridiculous budget I wouldn't worry about it too much. Any cheap SSD is better than a similarly sized HDD!
  • Windows - Do some googling. I think they offer copies for $30(usd) in a number of instances you may qualify for. The licensing is such that they allow you to install windows without a key. So you can make sure your system boots before buying a key if that makes any sense to you.

If you are willing to wait on the next platform of CPU's then I certainly wouldn't pull the trigger on a GPU till next gen releases. I'm not real happy with the release prices, but they may still compress the market. Time will tell.

Good luck, and happy building!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Strategy gamer build £800"

  • 7 months ago
  • 1 point

AMD is killing it right now in the price to performance category. There are plenty of use cases where Intel still makes the most sense. Yours just isn't one of them.

As far as upgradeability goes, AMD for sure wins that crown. There are new processors coming out in a couple of months that will be drop in (no new motherboard needed). The socket is where the CPU plugs into the motherboard, this has remain unchanged for AMD since Ryzen initial launch in February 2017. While each successive launch comes a new chipset, and therefore new features. However, the new processors are still compatible with the motherboards that originally launched with Ryzen 1. If you want the new features, you have to change motherboards of course, but you get the generational performance uplift no matter what. So you can take one of the new 6 or 8 core gen 3 CPU s coming out soon and drop them onto your gen 2 board. (There are also 12 and 16 core CPUs coming out that old mobos just aren't designed for, so there is that caveot).

Intel is the counterpoint. Each new release requires you to purchase a new motherboard. This has been true for many years.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Strategy gamer build £800"

  • 7 months ago
  • 2 points

Durability: Both Intel and AMD are very durable. While processors can and will fail, it is exceedingly rare.

Over-clocking: nah, the stock speeds are just fine. AMD already boosts pretty close to the "max overclock" zone. You can certainly eek out a little better performance with the aide of a $50-$100 aftermarket cooler. Other than that, the stock cooler is more than servicable for AMD. Your plan to stay at stock speeds and overclock later when the platform starts to show some age is perfectly reasonable.

Strategy games: the only claim I am making is the AMD chip will not perform noticeably worse in modern strategy titles, and should age better than it's more expensive Intel brethren.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Strategy gamer build £800"

  • 7 months ago
  • 2 points

Ah, a fellow strategy gamer! Love it! I've been playing Offworld Trading Company lately (ty HumbleBundle). It isn't as deep as most of the titles you seem to enjoy, but it is fun just the same. I also recommend the Homeworld remastered collection. (Something old made beautiful again).

The thing about strategy games, is they tend to not max out the GPU. For 1080P resolution you would likely be fine with an £200 APU with onboard graphics! In order to ensure you can max out every game, I do think that a dedicated GPU makes the most sense. Still, no reason to light you money on fire. I believe a 1060 or RX 580 is plenty enough now and into the near future. You don't have the budget for far future.

This block of text is to make the argument that I think the important factor is going to be core count coupled with processor speed instead of just one or the other. The i5's in the £240 range are 6 cores or less. They can be overclocked very high with sufficient cooling. The 9600k boosts to 4.6ghz stock. That is pretty fast. AMD's counterpart is £160. It boosts to 4.2ghz stock. The difference is, the AMD part has SMT like an i7. So it is 6 cores, but 12 simultaneous threads of processing. On eSport strategy games like Starcraft 2, the i5 will probably always perform better. They focus on low end hardware (Korean). On strategy games like you play, though, there is way more opportunity for threaded optimization.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor £157.98 @ Aria PC
Motherboard MSI - B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard £114.99 @ Box Limited
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory £68.99 @ Amazon UK
Storage ADATA - Ultimate SU650 960 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive £79.38 @ Box Limited
Video Card XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card £159.00 @ Amazon UK
Case Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case £79.90 @ More Computers
Power Supply Corsair - TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply £59.04 @ CCL Computers
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit £79.99 @ Amazon UK
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £799.27
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-13 16:55 BST+0100

Note: My prices never include Mail-In-Rebates unless specifically requested.

  • CPU: 6 cores 12 threads 4.2ghz boost. Unlocked and Overclockable chip.
  • Cooler: The CPU comes with a capable air cooler at stock speeds. (It can even handle a minor overclock in well ventilated cases like the one I selected.)
  • MOBO: B450 isn't the top end chipset for AMD, that is the x450. This does everything you need though, including integrated wireless AC!
  • RAM: There is faster RAM, and Ryzen likes fast RAM for sure, but this is plenty fast enough to hit the "diminishing returns" wall. Make sure to turn on the XMP profile in the bios to hit the 3000mhz. Might be able to overclock it past that as well.
  • SSD: I upped the size to near 1TB, then sorted by price and chose the cheapest one. This will be just fine.
  • GPU: I went with an Rx 580 simply because of the price.
  • Case: Very good airflow, but still has a TG side panel to show off the beauty within. This case will be easy to build in as well, so that is good.
  • PSU: Semi-modular means several wires are not connected by default. It makes it a little easier to install and reduces cable clutter inside the case as you don't need to install un-needed cables.
  • OS: OEM is the cheapest way to go. Download the media creation tool from MS website and turn one of your flash drives into installation media.

Hope this helps!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Strategy gamer build £800"

  • 7 months ago
  • 2 points

AIO coolers have a similar installation difficulty level to air coolers. They are "closed loop" (with some notable exceptions). This means you take them out of the box and install them just like an air cooler. Example: Corsair install video.

That being said, air coolers perform as good/better than water coolers depending upon a lot of factors. By perform, I mean in many dimensions such as cost, noise to cooling, and max cooling. 120mm AIO coolers like the MasterLiquid Lite 120 are made for very small form factor cases. In these cases, an air cooler that performs as good/better won't fit due to height restrictions.

TL;DR: You are correct, a similarly priced air cooler is orders of magnitude better than a MasterLiquid Lite 120.

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