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Comment reply on bubby13's Completed Build: First Budget Build

  • 18 days ago
  • 2 points

Just an FYI, the plastic on top of the CPU cooler pops up. It will still be attached underneath where it says "AMD". You can move that plastic ring up and hold it out of the way, then unscrew the 4 screws holding the fan to the cooler. Then you can rotate it so the AMD is "up" instead of on its side. Screw it back in and re-clip the ring in place. I just went through this last night and wanted to share :).

Excellent budget build. The 570 is perfectly serviceable at 1080P. My new Frankenstein is R7 2700 + GTX 960 (Soon to be 980). Looks gorgeous on my new 1440P monitor! Hope you enjoy yours!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Too late now, how dumb am I?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

hahaha, fair nuff. It was pretty spur of the moment.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Too late now, how dumb am I?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Thanks for looking at it and providing feedback. I appreciate ya!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Too late now, how dumb am I?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Ah, there is also tax on my build, and a couple of components that actually weren't Amazon (prime) when I clicked through. I will upgrade the GPU and the CPU cooling solution at some point in the next year or so. I guess the major difference would be aftermarket CPU cooler, downgraded PSU wattage and x series processor. So not too bad all things considered.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Help build me a PC (first timer)"

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Similar, but considerably more performance.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $120.98 @ Newegg
Motherboard ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $69.99 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $36.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $94.00 @ B&H
Video Card Sapphire Radeon RX 590 8 GB PULSE Video Card $199.99 @ Newegg
Case DIYPC F2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $39.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $53.98 @ Newegg
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $615.91
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-24 09:46 EDT-0400

Differences:

  • CPU: The 2600 is 8% about faster than the 1600. I thought that was worth $20. It is WAY faster than the 3400G with 2 more cores and 4 more threads all at a faster clock speed. It is really workload dependent, but it could be as much as 40% faster on compute tasks! The 2600 does not have an iGPU like the 3400G though, so it will require a dedicated Graphics Card.
  • Cooler: Still the stock cooler.
  • MOBO: Highest rated "el cheapo" motherboard. Follow the herd for safety! :)
  • RAM: 2x4gb should be just fine for a value build.
  • SSD: NVME SSD because it has very good value. AKA, it is cheap.
  • HDD: Dropped for now, motherboard will support several for future upgrades.
  • GPU: A dedicated GPU instead of integrated. This is really all you need for 1080p Gaming. The 590 is essentially a factory overclocked 580. It for sure performs a little better, but you would likely be fine with a 580 if you wanted to save some bucks. GPU is the #1 indicator of gaming performance in a given resolution. The 590 is the 1080P king.
  • Extra Case Fans: Dropped in favor of enhancing performance.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Bit of an Emergency Build/Upgrade ($2200-$2500AUD)"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Sure, I went ahead with another TG side panel case, however, it is much smaller volume than even some mini-itx cases.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-9700F 3 GHz 8-Core Processor $489.00 @ Shopping Express
CPU Cooler Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $82.00 @ Shopping Express
Motherboard Gigabyte Z390 M GAMING Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $225.00 @ Austin Computers
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $149.00 @ Umart
Video Card GALAX GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB EX (1-click OC) Video Card $829.00 @ Skycomp Technology
Case In Win 301C MicroATX Mini Tower Case $107.00 @ Umart
Case Fan Silverstone FN121-P 58.47 CFM 120 mm Fan $7.00 @ Scorptec
Case Fan Silverstone FN121-P 58.47 CFM 120 mm Fan $7.00 @ Scorptec
Case Fan Silverstone FN121-P 58.47 CFM 120 mm Fan $7.00 @ Scorptec
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1902.00
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-24 15:36 AEDT+1100

Note: My prices never include Mail-In-Rebates unless specifically requested.

  • CPU: Upgraded to the i7 with SMT to give it legs. The i5 should serve you just fine, but you do have room in your budget to play a little.
  • Cooler: This case really likes AIO water coolers to be mounted to the rack. This is by far the cheapest I have found.
  • MOBO: mAtx is hella expensive in AU too WTF.
  • RAM: Reduce Reuse Recycle!!! :)
  • SSD: new hotness. Wow, those drives are hella expensive in AU. Another $30USD and you could double the storage to 2TB lol.
  • HDD: Reduce Reuse Recycle!!! :)
  • GPU: Same as last suggested build.
  • Case: Push button side panel. Excellent small volume mAtx case. Video Review. They got a couple of things wrong though. Side panel is for exhaust.
  • PSU: Reduce Reuse Recycle!!! :)
  • Case Fans: 2x on the bottom, 1 x on the rear. Recommend you set the bottom fans to intake, and the rear/side to exhaust. (Feel free to pull these from the old build).

Questions? Comments? Maniacal laughter?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Bit of an Emergency Build/Upgrade ($2200-$2500AUD)"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Would you like a case with a handle? They are rare, but not unheard of. It changes other aspects of the build such as mobo/CPU cooler size, but that isn't a big deal considering your budget.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Help build me a PC (first timer)"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

I would say getting 2x4 Ram is a better idea unless OP plans on upgrading it somewhat soon.

yeah, 1x8 was cheaper for that speed. Probably 2x4 would be more performant. Video proof...ish

And you could get the aerocool Cylon Mini for cheaper which is a better case.

Unless there is a mesh panel that is completely escaping my notice, that Aerocool case is garbage for airflow. There are a ton of cheaper cases with poor airflow that could be considered, I just went with the cheapest case that would support a decent number of intake fans pulling air through open(ish) mesh.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Help build me a PC (first timer)"

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 3.7 GHz Quad-Core Processor $144.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard ASRock B450M/AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $69.99 @ Newegg
Memory Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $29.99 @ Newegg
Storage Hitachi Ultrastar 7K3000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $37.95 @ Amazon
Case DIYPC F2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $39.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $53.98 @ Newegg
Custom upHere Computer Case Fan 120mm LED Silent Fan for Computer Cases, CPU Coolers, and Radiators Ultra Quiet ,Triple Pack Colorful Case Fan $17.34 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $394.12
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-23 12:59 EDT-0400

Note: My prices never include Mail-In-Rebates unless specifically requested.

  • CPU: Quad core component with SMT will do very good in runescape, and has at least some processing chops for prepping youtube videos/streaming xbox.
  • Cooler: Stock is OK.
  • MOBO: Value board. Might require a bios update before the 3400G processor will function. If that is the case, you will have to take advantage of AMD's loaner program to get it up and running.
  • RAM: Very cheap RAM. Still not the slowest, so that is good for Ryzen.
  • SSD: Nope.
  • HDD: 2TB is a good start for a gaming build.
  • GPU: Nope. GPU is integrated into the CPU/Motherboard.
  • Case: Not great. Functional, but not great. Almost every other case I looked at for less $$$ had crap airflow and no ability to improve it. You can/will be getting rid of the pre-installed fans and replacing them with RGB. (Won't hurt you to have extras just in case).
  • PSU: Mid-tier PSU. About the cheapest you can go right now. (Thanks to tarrifs).
  • Optical: No longer needed.
  • OS: Are you in school? Check with your IT department for a free copy that you can use while a student.
  • Monitor: Couple of these should be okay. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6NGj4D/sceptre-monitor-e225w1920
  • Fans: Some super duper cheap RGB fans on Amazon. I do not guarantee quality, but in your price range that shouldn't be surprising.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Bit of an Emergency Build/Upgrade ($2200-$2500AUD)"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor $374.00 @ Shopping Express
CPU Cooler CRYORIG M9i 48.4 CFM CPU Cooler $35.00 @ PCCaseGear
Motherboard MSI Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $183.70 @ Newegg Australia
Memory Patriot Viper Elite 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $100.10 @ Newegg Australia
Video Card GALAX GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB EX (1-click OC) Video Card $829.00 @ Skycomp Technology
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1521.80
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-24 01:47 AEDT+1100

Note: My prices never include Mail-In-Rebates unless specifically requested.

  • CPU: You actually have budget room left to stretch a bit more here. This should work fine for Skyrim though.
  • Cooler: This cooler should be stepped up if you get more cores/faster processor.
  • MOBO: Higher end to enable overclocking/more fine tune control and hopefully help you with component stability.
  • RAM: Nothing special. It will work fine and it is affordable. Enable XMP profile in BIOS to get 2666mhz speed. Consider tuning it and overclocking it, though that rarely helps with gaming for Intel.
  • SSD: Reuse
  • HDD: Reuse
  • GPU: a 2070 Super is plenty for 1k and 2k today. Hell, the 5700 is plenty and this card is way more performance than that.
  • Case: Reuse
  • PSU: Reuse
  • Optical:
  • OS: Reuse
  • Monitor: Reuse
  • Keyboard: Reuse
  • Mouse: Reuse

Something like that?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "need help confirming this build"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Case and RAM were picked by OP

DOH, my bad.

bios update can be done with a USB drive

Yes, if you have a recognized processor updating the BIOS is childs play. Whether or not a Matisse processor will be recognized is based on which warehouse shelf the motherboard sat on. Meaning if the motherboard is fresh off the line, it won't even need an update, but if it has been sitting around for a while, it might have an older firmware. In that case you would have to get a chip that IS recognized in order to do the update. Hence, the loaner program I linked to. I believe all MSI boards as of x570 will be able to install bios updates without a CPU, which will help next generation, but that ability is generally considered a super-high-end motherboard feature (like > $200 in my experience).

overclocking which is useless with Ryzen 3000 anyways.

I think you are saying that manual overclocking is a joke/worthless on Ryzen 3000. I agree. However, you absolutely need thermal headroom or you won't get the most out of precision boost! Go to the L9i CPU compatibiltiy page and just read it. Yes, it is compatible with the 3700X, however, you won't get to take full advantage of the turbo capabilities according to Noctua's OWN internal testing.

And that dark rock cooler performs near the same as the L9i

This is not even close to correct. I can only think you got confused about what cooler I was referencing. The Dark Rock TF has thermals more in the ballpark of full-on tower coolers like the Cryorig R1 Universal and Noctua NH-D15! Benchmark Or another the Noctua NH-L9x65 LP (which is also a higher performance cooler than the L9i) and another because multiple sources are best.
So to recap: Be Quiet Dark Rock TF > Noctua NH-L12S > Noctua NH-L9x65 LP > Noctual L9i

The 3700x doesn't run near as hot as an i9 or i7

I agree, but with the caveat that you still want thermal headroom for PB2!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "need help confirming this build"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

That CPU cooler is not designed to allow a 3700X (or i7/i9) to operate optimally. If it will fit, the very best small form factor cooler is the be quiet! Dark Rock TF. It is far and away the best, smashing even most AIO perfromance (SFF that is). If that won't fit, then look for coolers with the largest fin stack that can fit in the allotted space.

The RAM selected doesn't appear to be available.

The Motherboard may need a super-annoying bios update before the chip will work. While AMD will loan out CPU's for this purpose, that is an extra step. AMD site link. (Scroll down to the "Short Term Processor Loan Boot Kit" section).

:)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "need help confirming this build"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

i still have concerns over this small case you have suggested.

I have used it before with a lower end cpu cooler than the one I recommended for you. There are no problems with that case size. It is just tiny. What concerns do you have?

There are many HTPC style cases that are much larger, but they will still look fine in your living room. IMO Silverstone makes the highest quality that fits that bill. The size can go all the way up to EATX BTW. Link: https://silverstonetek.com/product_case.php?bno=28&tb=1&area=en. I have a GD09 in my living room. It is still smaller than a mid-tower laying on it side because it it nowhere near as "deep" (from front to back). I would know, because I started with a mid-sized NZXT tower and moved to the GD09 on the basis of it fit on my entertainment center much much better.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "need help confirming this build"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

IMO this will serve you a little better:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor £286.17 @ Amazon UK
CPU Cooler Noctua NH-L12S 55.44 CFM CPU Cooler £56.69 @ Overclockers.co.uk
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard £212.98 @ Laptops Direct
Memory Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory £75.98 @ Amazon UK
Storage Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive £98.41 @ CCL Computers
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 980 4 GB Video Card -
Case Silverstone RVZ01-E HTPC Case £79.01 @ CCL Computers
Power Supply Silverstone Strider Platinum 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply £94.99 @ Amazon UK
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit £99.00 @ Amazon UK
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £1003.23
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-22 15:13 BST+0100

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cheapest possible SFF build (1440p-4K)"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $194.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock TF 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler $79.90 @ B&H
Motherboard ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $79.99 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $64.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $199.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Video Card $403.98 @ Newegg
Case Silverstone GD09B HTPC Case $93.99 @ B&H
Power Supply BitFenix Whisper M 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $110.47 @ Amazon
Case Fan Scythe SY1225DB12M 68.54 CFM 120 mm Fan $9.89 @ OutletPC
Case Fan Scythe SY1225DB12M 68.54 CFM 120 mm Fan $9.89 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1247.88
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-12 19:16 EDT-0400

This will do it. 8 cores with SMT for less than half the price of the 9700. The 2070 Super is a far better card than the 5700, but it is more expensive as well. I would think they would perform near the same for 1440p.

The Node 202 is a much smaller volume case than the GD09B, but the GD09 can actually fit full sized ATX motherboards while still being in a form factor that fits in the living room. (I have one in my living room).

I suggest going for a 2TB SSD. Just so you don't have to mess with it much.

I went for an aftermarket CPU cooler. This cooler is very nice and quiet.

I added some case fans just in case you wanted to fill out the case slots.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "CDN$3500 Gaming Build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $429.99 @ Memory Express
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler $109.99 @ Amazon Canada
Motherboard MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard $214.99 @ Canada Computers
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $104.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $259.50 @ Vuugo
Video Card MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB VENTUS OC Video Card $1478.50 @ Vuugo
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $129.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $154.99 @ Corsair
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $2882.94
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-05 00:54 EDT-0400

You have a team blue example from SaucyBro. It will serve you just fine if you like. It will arguably have better frame rates than any AMD competitive system, but I wanted to give you a "team red" counterpoint to consider.

Note: My prices never include Mail-In-Rebates unless specifically requested.

  • CPU: This is also an 8 core CPU with SMT. It processes 16 threads, just slower than the intel part. It is also cheaper.
  • Cooler: Sure, water can get the job done. This "big air" cooler will keep your CPU just as cool as any AIO cooler you can buy, and it will do so at a lower noise threshold. (No pump noise). There are many use cases for AIO watercoolers, I just don't feel like this is one of those.
  • MOBO: Sheez, x570 boards are expensive! But this board is very highly recommended by the likes of GamersNexus, so it had better be good ****.
  • RAM: Faster RAM speed because Ryzen really likes it! Should overclock even higher if you want. There are guides online.
  • SSD: 2TB will allow you to install many many games. Once you start running out of space, I hope you will be able to get 4 or 6TB SSD's at a reasonable price for a future upgrade.
  • HDD: None included in this build. Plenty good enough for games to live on, so consider adding a 2 or 4TB drive. Any ol' drive is fine.
  • GPU: For a gaming computer the GPU drives performance. At your budget you warrant the absolute best you can buy. Unfortunately that is still the 2080 ti. (Unfortunately because every other price tier has a "super" upgrade). This isn't the cheapest, but it does have a decent boost speed and it has a pretty good cooler! The GPU really does matter more than the CPU, so you should consider this AMD based build instead of the Intel version for this reason only!
  • Case: This case will allow for plenty of air to be pulled in from the front mesh. The H500 is a decent case, but it has very obstructed airflow from the front :(. Gamers nexus has done a ton of testing on this sort of thing. Poorly perfroming cases can and will lead to thermal throttling on either your GPU or CPU. The H500 isn't the worst offender, but it certainly doesn't rank among the best.
  • PSU: Ouch on the price, but this is a damn good PSU. Don't skimp on this component.
  • OS: Not included in price. Just find a windows home key for around 100CAD.

Hope this helps firm up your discussion, one way or another.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "PC for company !"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

The way OP asked for a build is the same way my buddy asked. He basically wants it to be snappy AF for as long as possible. No way to get there with clock speed, as who knows what the future brings there. Only way is massive thread count. That's why I built my buddy a 1600x based system. In 5 years that system is probably still going to be chugging along zippy as all hell.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "PC for Planet Zoo, Planet Coaster, and Cities Skylines"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Fractal Design Meshify C TG would be better IMO. The H500 is a bit of a "hot box" with fairly closed off front intake.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Home Entertainment Center Build/Possible gaming"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Warning OP, that BluRay player won't do 4K due to LG firmware update. There is allegedly a workaround , but you will have to tread off the beaten path a little to get there. So dumb :(

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Would love an i7 9700k build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $363.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BK 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler $84.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard Gigabyte Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $243.98 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $94.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $184.99 @ B&H
Video Card MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card $1199.89 @ B&H
Case NZXT H700i ATX Mid Tower Case $179.99 @ NZXT
Power Supply Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $124.98 @ Newegg
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $2477.70
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-26 15:44 EDT-0400

I picked the class of GPU because it is the most powerful GPU on the market (at the moment) and you didn't specify a budget. I singled out this specific model because it boosts well over 1700mhz and it doesn't make you pay a $400 premium like some models.

As for everything else, I went for decent bells and whistles with a black and white theme.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "HELP! $4,000-$5,000 Gaming/PC . https://pcpartpicker.com/user/yognying59/saved/7VbQqs I'm noob. Any advice??"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

(don't which brand or combination i should get, nvme, SATA 2.5-3." form factor, etc. iono)

It goes like this speed-wise:
SATA < SATA II < SATA III < NVME.

NVME uses PCIe lanes like your GPU uses. that is why it is so fast. There are several different configurations that motherboard manufacturers can opt for, but I believe all NVME is accomplished via a m.2 port. (Since it uses PCIe lanes, the first NVME drives were PCIe instead). m.2 ports can either be SATA or NVME, or both depending upon the motherboard. NVME m.2 SSD's are faster than SATA m.2 SSD's. At some point though, you are splitting hairs. They are both very very fast. The big speedup was the changeover from solid disks like the WD Black in your build to SSD's. Any SSD is orders of magnitude faster than the fastest HDD. (At random access, HDD's still have some benefit for sequential access. This is especially true of Raid 0 Arrays. Most access is going to be random though).

To finish this off, I recommend ANY SSD with a long warranty. In your price range you should benefit from buying the "best". Samsung is currently considered the "Best". For sure don't consider any SSD with less than a 5 year warranty.

good graphics card

If you are going to keep your monitor, anything over say a GTX 2080 is probably overkill. GPU matters the most for gaming though, so no reason not to get the best gaming card, which is currently the GTX 2080 TI.

I still need external storage

Get a NAS for sure. Then you can load it up with 6TB HDD's if you want. Pretty expensive world to play in though: https://www.newegg.com/Desktop-NAS/SubCategory/ID-124?Tid=161337

Mouse: Logitech makes the best mice IMO. The G502 is a nice. I have the G500s which I also like a lot.

KB: Anything with mechanical switches made by cherry will have you walking away from your current keyboard and never looking back. RGB? Sure, that is possible. I have the Corsair K95 RGB. I think it is overpriced for what it is. I think g.skill is doing great things in this department, at a reasonable price too! RGB options

I still need external storage, optical drives, and ideal case.

Oh god, why do you need optical? Why, oh why? Count on your hand the number of times in the past 5 years you have used optical. Now subtract any time it would have been better from a flash drive. Do you have any fingers up still? Maybe get an external drive just in case.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "AMD PC Build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

In your budget you should probably target 1440P.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Really in need of some help with my PC."

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Yes, also try the RAM in different slots. Only one stick at a time. (We have a board like that, it only works if you only use 1 stick of RAM and you have to avoid the A1 channel.)

What you want to do is isolate as much as possible the different items that can be at fault. Unplug everything non-essential and see if you can get it to post. If you get the same problem then it might actually BE the cpu. In that case you can buy a replacement to test with for WAY less than $100. Just find any old skylake CPU (refurbished or used or whatever).

You can take the advice another user gave you and get a power supply from somewhere with a liberal return policy just to try. If it works, then you are done. If it doesn't work, just return it.

Some thoughts. You aren't up against a wall yet, the problem is just harder to deal with than initially though.

I am also a little concerned that you said you had to press and hold the power button initially in order to boot. That is strange. Should have just needed a quick press (completing the circuit is instantaneous.) IDK if that would have been a power issue or a MOBO issue either.

Comment reply on FedorSosnin's Completed Build: InWin A1 Plus + Ryzen 3600 + Dark Rock Pro 4

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

I firmly believe miniItx and MicroAtx are all you need for gaming in 2019+. Love the look you went for, super clean and great looking IMO. Excellent work on the printed feet, nice for near free 3-5c!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Really in need of some help with my PC."

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Sorry man, hope they figure it out!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Really in need of some help with my PC."

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I also have the fan cable from the pump of cpu cooler that i plugged into cpu 1

On most motherboards, there is a header named CPU_FAN. If you don't plug some kind of fan into it, your system won't boot (this is an outdated feature that allegedly protects CPU's from instantaneously overheating due to no CPU cooler). I didn't see anything in the manual about CPUFan1 or CPUFan2 being populated in the same way, but since you are having issues, lets cover every single base. The test should be, unplug the pump from CPUFan1, and plug in another case fan.

A)

If best buy didn't test the PSU by putting it into another computer and turning it on, you might be correct!

B)

Rare to lose both sticks at once like that.

C)

Pretty brutal, also rare. Can maybe spring for a G3900 on ebay? Same generation (Skylake) super low end seems to go for <$30. Just to test with. If it works....then yeah.

If this is the case i am gonna lose my ****

It can be brutal to try and figure out a hardware issue like this when you have nothing to test with. Sorry man.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Really in need of some help with my PC."

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Try a different electrical outlet at your house. Preferably way different (not on the same string). I don't know how high a probability it is that works, but worth a shot.

Have you reseated the CPU?
Do you have a fan plugged into the CPU_FAN1 header? (Will not post without it).
I have heard of people having issues with an AIO pump being plugged in there.
Again, low probability. I am grasping at straws that could be the issue before you try a cheapo replacement processor.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Really in need of some help with my PC."

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

I was just talking about the little section of wires that plug into your motherboard. Unplug that mess.

Your motherboard manual will tell you which pins to short. But basically, whichever pins you take the front panel power button off of should be the ones. (Assuming you wired it correctly initially). Looks like pins 6 and 8 are "power switch". The pins are numbered bottom top, left to right:

2 4 6 8 10
1 3 5 7 9

It will be labled JFP1 on the board itself.

If this doesn't work, paperclip test the PSU to be sure, but it will probably need to be replaced even if it passes. (Google PSU paperclip test for more info). You started off with a really good platform PSU though, so it would be rare if that is the issue. (Maybe it ate a power event and died, are you using a UPS, or at the very least a surge protector? If not, pick up a cheap Tripp Lite 8 Outlet Surge Protector on amazon for like $25. They have decent internal circuitry and will protect your whole setup (and die instead of your PSU hopefully). Bonus, it comes with light indicators which will tell you if your building is wired wrong.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "dying system"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I checked newegg before I posted that, so...

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Really in need of some help with my PC."

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

It could also be your front panel wiring. Unplug all the front panel connectors from your moterboard and use the screwdriver method of turning it on (Use a flathead screwdriver to short across the power pins. Video instructions

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Really in need of some help with my PC."

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

I have seen this before.

Turn the PSU power off again. Leave it for 20 seconds, then press and hold the power button on your case. This will bleed any capacitor that is still energized. (They can stay energized for years). After you have held the Power button for 10 seconds or so. Let it go, turn the power supply power back on, and it should either immediately boot, or you will have to hit the power button again.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "dying system"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

My CPU is from the same generation and I am still working fine, never had a problem. :-\

If the problem WAS initially your power supply, then it could have "eaten" all kinds of components, and without having spares just lying around that you can throw in and test with it can be impossible to diagnose. (Power issues are the absolute worst which is why I am so adamant about high end power supplies!)

If you only blank out while gaming, then that should mean it only happens when the computer is under a heavy load. Try a CPU benchmark and see if you have similar problems. (Prime95 or some such). Watch your CPU temp under load via HWMonitor (made by CPUID). If your package temp is >80 then your problem might just be temperature related. If you have no issues at all, then try a GPU test and see if you have issues. If you do, then maybe the PSU ate your GPU :*(. To prove that one way or another, take out the GPU and lower your game down to very low graphics settings and just use the integrated CPU graphics. If you have no problems with that, then it seems like the PCI slot or maybe GPU is the issue.

Also consider replacing the MOBO with a used one if you continue to have random issues. You just need an 1155 chipset MOBO. Those can still be had new around the $100 (USD) mark.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "No display at all before Windows"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Seems to me that it could be a fast boot issue. This is a feature of most BIOS. IDK if a CMOS reset would help. Other than that it is probably a bootloader issue. What are you using? Grub? Try spamming the del or F2 buttons from the moment you turn on power.

If not that then:
Check your Motherboard manual. 1.1.6 tells you the blink code on the QLED problem light. Watch it during boot to see if it is detecting and "fixing" a problem or some such.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Mouse stuttering in RTR"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Do you leave your controller connected to the computer? Maybe it is an issue of mixing inputs?

Maybe mouse driver issues. Some mice have a "game mode" and special settings they enable when they detect certain games.

Stuff like that would be the most suspect to me.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "(newish build) Powers on but no detection on monitor"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Make sure you plug the monitor into the GPU and NOT the motherboard. Like you said, the 1600x does not have an integrated GPU. The motherboard is made to support both those that do and those that don't have integrated graphics, that is why the ports are even there. You cannot use them though.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Best AMD build you can build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $329.00 @ B&H
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler $97.49 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard $169.99 @ B&H
Memory Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $95.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $184.99 @ B&H
Storage Seagate 4 TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive $73.20 @ Amazon
Video Card Asus GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB DUAL EVO OC Video Card $529.99 @ B&H
Case Cooler Master MasterCase H500P Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case $169.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $124.98 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $99.95 @ B&H
Case Fan Cooler Master MF120R ARGB 3in1 59 CFM 120 mm Fans $55.75 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1931.32
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-15 12:35 EDT-0400

Left some performance on the table for all the RGB, but in this budget you will do fine at 1440p for some time to come!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Limited resolution on new build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Your CPU does not have an integrated GPU. That is why the connector on the Mobo didn't work. Some Ryzen chips DO have integrated graphics cores, they can use the ports on the motherboard. Their model numbers end with a 'g'. (Like R5-2400g).

I would be willing to be you don't have the Nvidia drivers installed so it is using the compatibility driver built into Linux. While this allows you to boot and see a picture, it is not taking advantage of your GPU to it's fullest potential.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Minimalist Mini-ATX build for High-End Gaming at 60fps+"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

There are actually 2 sizes smaller than an ATX Mid Tower (Not to get into the weeds too far). Micro ATX and Mini ITX.

The smallest volume Mini ITX cases (Besides a DAN case) are made by Silverstone and Fractal Design. Examples would be the RVZ03 and the Node202

Intel Fractal:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i9-9900KF 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $479.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler Noctua NH-L9i 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler $52.27 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard ASRock Z390M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard $147.78 @ Newegg Business
Memory Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $69.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $184.99 @ Newegg
Video Card MSI GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB AERO Video Card $803.62 @ Amazon
Case Fractal Design Node 202 HTPC Case $99.28 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA GM 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply $115.98 @ Newegg
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1953.80
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-10 12:44 EDT-0400

AMD in Silverstone:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor $177.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler be quiet! Shadow Rock LP 51.4 CFM CPU Cooler $43.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $198.99 @ Newegg
Memory Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $69.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $184.99 @ Newegg
Video Card Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB DUAL EVO OC Video Card $729.99 @ B&H
Case Silverstone RVZ01-E HTPC Case $161.82 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply SeaSonic PRIME Ultra Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $116.49 @ Newegg
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1684.05
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-10 16:31 EDT-0400

The Power supply goes with the case. The CPU goes with the motherboard. Other than that, swap at will.

:)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need some help with picking the right Motherboard and CPU"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Wellll....Not really. 850W should be enough. Your system is rated at roughly 661w of power. So anything over 700w should be fine. There are recommendations for having enough headroom though, and that is to build a system that only pulls roughly 50% of the power supply rating. It is okay to get closer to the edge if you know what you are doing. I think that 850W is plenty for your system. You can't add 150W worth of hard drives or fans, so you are good to go! 750W is probably a bit light for a dual GPU system, so I would stay with 850W+. :)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Excellent! Should serve you well for many years!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need some help with picking the right Motherboard and CPU"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Hmmm, I don't know how big a deal it really is. Especially with a "lower power" card like a 580. The fact that you are running two of the absolutely gives me pause though. I didn't know about this and I have been recommending the "FOCUS Plus Gold" platform pretty heavily on here as it is a smaller form factor than most fully modular PSU's.

Could you maybe recommend an alternative?

Bitfenix Whisper M series is recommended. Any Gold certified fully modular Power supply from EVGA or Corsair is fine. There is a helper list here. Since you have a dual GPU solution, you absolutely should get a higher tier unit.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah, that was my older "go to" case for recommendations. Only thing I really don't appreciate about it is the wasted space on the front of the case. Nobody uses optical anymore... They are both beauties though.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Okay I asked the people of Reddit if that power connector makes any difference, and the consensus is "no". So ignore all that.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

...Okay?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

On Gen1 and 2 that would be correct, but I take your point that most don't recommend bothering to overclock Ryzen 3rd gen because of how well the boost tech works. I have no clue if the lack of the extra 4 pin will affect the precision boost speeds, so I can't speak to that.

You are thinking too small though. What about next year when next GEN ryzen comes out and fits this board and all he would need is a bios update? Will it still work, or will he have to replace the PSU then as well? What about the next gen AMD GPU that competes with the 2080 or 2080 ti. Wonder if it will do AMD's little thing where they draw a bit too much power through the PCI connector, would it just work, or would he need a new GPU then?

So yes, today it should work fine. However, will it work "fine" going forward? It is an unanswerable question today, that is why I say it is better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

You aren't wrong, but I also think you aren't right. Better to have it and not need it then the alternative.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

For cases, I prefer those that combine beauty and function. The rage for the past couple of years has been "Tempered glass all the things". Guess what happens when you box in hot stuff with glass....it says hot. Especially if you are adding heat.

So, I require TG in the side panel, because acrylic scratches so easily, but you still want to show off all that RGB. I also require some way of bringing in fresh air.

Silverstones Raven series does this with an inverted motherboard and bottom to top airflow.

Fractal Designs Meshify series does this by putting a mesh on the front panel that air can get through and not blocking it in any way. Want more air, just put 3x120mm fans up front! PCPP doesn't list any FD cases in your area, can you source them at a reasonable price? ($100 USD)

The H500M Mesh by Cooler Master is the better choice between it and the H500P. The 500P is another one of those hot box situations, the H500m has mesh up front instead of Glass. (You can still see the RGB fans).

Here is a review by gamersnexus on the Fractal Design Meshify S2. If you scroll down there is a chart comparing many different cases. All the ones that performed well either had good airflow stock, or they removed or added something to change the performance. They also had a scathing/brutal review of the CM H500P here

I like the RL06 by Silverstone, though it is a bit dated looking with LED fans instead of RGB: Black/Red White/Blue
Unfortunately, the RL07 by Silverstone (the "upgraded/newer" model) has a huge hunk of plastic in front of the fans...so...no airflow.
They are again redeemed by their refabbed PM01 billed as the PM01-RGB

Anyway, just some ramblings of a simple man! :)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Cancel the Power supply if you can. It doesn't have the right pins for your motherboard, so it will be starved for a bit of power.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Review my build - find me a case!"

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

What have you purchased thus far. There are some changes I would recommend, but there is no point if you have already purchased. (Unless you want to do the return dance).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need some help with picking the right Motherboard and CPU"

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

I was wondering if there's a reason why you seem to prefer AMD to intel?

In your price point it definitely is. For me, more cores/threads = longer performance. Intel has the best gaming performance right now (depending upon game and $$$ spent), but for your GPU's it is just academic.

Look at intel CPU's with 6 cores, faster than 2.6Ghz in a similar price point: i5-9400F, i5-9400, or i5-8400. These are all slower, hotter, fewer cores, no SMT, and they are locked parts (so no aftermarket value boost with overclocking). Will an i5-9400F outpeform a Ryzen 7 2700 in some games today, yes. The trend has been for more core support in modern game titles, so I generally give preferential treatment to chips with more cores and/or SMT, because they will stay relevant longer.

IF, your use case was different, like lets say you needed >200 FPS on Call of Duty for professional play, then you would need a more expensive Intel chip (and probably an NVidia GPU). So the situation also dictates the CPU choice.

Also, Is there any difference between:

Only the inclusion of an Integrated WiFi solution on the AC version. (Wireless AC). So it is fine to get the other one, you should hard wire it anyway :)

If I understand correctly, I don't really have to buy the CPU cooler.

Yep, skip it. It will be fine!

What about the Case Fan? Is that also optional?

Sure, it CAN be. I just started spending more money on your budget because it seemed like you wanted that. I included fans in order to not starve the GPU's of fresh air. There is no reason why they have to be $12 apiece. Just get a 3 pack of super cheap ones instead. You can find 120mm case fans 3 packs on amazon for under $12. For some reason PCPP doesn't do a good job of sourcing them.

Now that you have a better idea of what is out there, feel free to get second, or even third opinions from other users. Create a new post and provide the following information:

  • Purchase Location
  • Budget
  • Usage
  • Currently purchased components
  • Specify that it is PC only (no OS, mouse, kb, or monitor needed).

With that information you will get more targeted recommendations, and probably a few Intel options.

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