They are sales men and I find it funny listening to them try to act like they know what they are talking about. Even Geek Squad is iffy on their knowledge (I use to work for them), GS does not really pay enough to get people that know what they are doing.
Your PC should do fine with VR. According to steam my i5-6400/RX480 4GB is in the middle of the green area for high settings. Your build is pretty comparable to mine in terms of performance.
I would tap a hole in the side of the cabinet you have the case in. You have an exhaust but I did not notice an intake, so it will get toasty in site that cabinet.
Good deal sourcing, normally I tell people to avoid AM3+ at this point but your project is one of the few shining reasons to go with AM3+. Really good build all and all. How does it preform?
I would get a different PSU, I would not trust Sentey's PSU's as their cases (which they are known for) are only mid range at best. I cannot find any professional reviews for this PSU and newegg only has 4 reviews (user reviews are normally worthless but you use what you can find), heck sears sells this thing lol. For this kind of build I bet a 400ish watt PSU would be fine. The 4x 1gb sticks of RAM made me chuckle. lol
Good looking build though its a tad bit overkill for WoW, is she planning on streaming? My only real question is why the RAM cooler? Those things are pretty much useless, though in a 3.3k build I doubt the cost of a RAM cooler really matters.
I don't use it much anymore but its still ticking along. lol. I replaced it with a G3258/R7-370 build about 3 months back. Amazingly enough that PSU never did blow up.
In the past few years I have learned that hole in the heat spreader was normal for pre LGA775 CPU's, funny how no one pointed that out.
Good looking build you have there. What desk are you using?
Cleaver call on using the riser for the PCIe x4 slot (maybe x1 I cannot really tell). Looks like you have it shoved on the back of a monitor using VESA mount. This build looks really nice, good job mate.
Agreed, and for people like us that is half the fun. Make it work, one way or another? :D
Nice job all and all, I feel the 470 will fit this build nicely. Words of advice, make sure your PSU has the needed cables to support the 470. Even if it does support the 470 cable wise it may still be a good idea to dump the stock PSU for something like an EVGA 430 ($30ish). Reason being I doubt that stock PSU was designed with something that pulls as much power as the 470 in mind.
Nice build that should last you a few years too come. Proof that prebuilds can be saved :D
Built in insolence. You have to buy largely proprietary parts to upgrade them, at least that is the idea. The MoBo setup restricts what kind of hardware you can add. To be honest I am shocked that Mobo took the CPU upgrade and even more amazingly allowed the overclock.
Got to love those budget builds. :D
Really good looking build, any first build that works is a good build. Much as others have said I would have skipped on AM3+ at this point, and I am a team red person. I feel an i3-6100 would have served you better, but again it works and looks good.
The only suggestion I would make I dump the stock cooler and get an after market cooler. Something cheap like the Hyper T4 will be more than enough. The reason I suggest this is the FX cooler is not that good and is really loud.
Do you have any picks of it buttoned up?
Any first build that works is a good build, we all have to start somewhere. I think your RAM would have hurt your iGPU more than anything, even 4 years ago 1600mhz was standard. Considering the iGPU uses system memory you would want to shoot for fast (at least 2133mhz) and dual channel (if possible). Just my thoughts but again its a good build and tossing the 750Ti in there was a good call.
+1 for sure.
If you think you are having temp issues out of that 240 try ripping the heat sync off and see if you need to reapply thermal paste and stickers to it. That card is 4ish years old, and if it has been used heavily I would not be shocked of the thermal stuff has dried out. Whats the worst that could happen? You break $20 worth of card, lol.
Really good build though I would really suggest swapping out the PSU, this thing is a no name brand and only has a 3 of 5 on newegg with 31 reviews. That really does not bode well. Get something like the EVGA 430w which is only about $30usd.
He has a H chipset, there is a good chance he cannot OC on that board at all. Leaving microcode updates to the side. If he can OC it will most likely only be with the base clock, I doubt voltage control will be an option. That aside one should be able to get the 3258 pretty close to 4.0ghz on the stock voltage though that is up to the chip.
This is true, also the faster the memory the better. This is due to the iGPU using system memory for graphics memory, so the faster/more channels the better. All though an iGPU will not keep up with any dedicated GPU. To be honest I would suggest for him to get something like an R7-240 with the money he would spend on the extra RAM if he was doing it for graphical performance alone as the R7-240 with how weak it is will still crush the iGPU no matter what you do to it.
I would advise turning the 212 to where it is blowing out the back of the case rather than up at the PSU. You are pulling the hot air from the GPU to cool off the CPU and than pushing that hot air to the PSU. I don't see it hurting anything, but turning it would improve the temps.
I would have avoided the AM3+ socket at this point, but that is just my opinion. You have a really good no nonsense build. +1 for sure.
To me the phrase "budget build" is the same as "hold my beer", we know with both phrases things will not go as planned and will most likely cost a lot of money in the end. :D
Will you adopt me?
Soo, does it miss its FPS targets?
Joking aside it looks really good, nothing like a good case mod. I honestly thought this was the white version of the case until reading your notes.
I would have had the company replace the board and gone off until they agreed to overnight it, that kind of mix-up is unacceptable especially when dealing with clients. Oh well I suppose, at least the client did not care.
You should tell your client he will be gaming at a higher quality on this rig than his console. I would have gone with a different GPU, the 1050 had not come out yet so I would have suggested the RX470 which is just a little bit more and a lot more powerful.
I did not think of using SuperPi, its been a while since I used that.
I wonder what voltage it would take to get this too 5.0 :D
I have managed to get it stable at 4.5ghz with 1.36v with temps right around 70c at load. If I push 1.4v its stable at 4.8ghz with temps coming close to 90c at load, but that is a little high for me and not worth the extra 0.3ghz in my opinion.
To be honest I would bet this CPU bottle necks that GPU, and he did not give any games he is playing. As far as we know he only plays LoL or minecraft and is not pushing that CPU or GPU. Also your G4400 has a better IPC than the G3258 so a clock per clock comparison would not be accurate.
I would not worry about the bottleneck. The bottleneck won't be huge. You can later upgrade to an Core i5 or i7. Intel will release cpus for LGA1151 for next two years (kabylake and cannonlake). So you can upgrade your cpu anytime in the next two years. Till then, you can play all PC games at good frame rates with the G4400.
I would really figure the CPU would bottle neck that RX470, I am impressed yours is not. Have you overclocked it?
I would love to like this build, but the lack of details makes that hard.
Come on now, a potato will match a console level of performance. I bet any Haswel Pentium (a Celeron may be pushing it) and a GTX750ti will beat a console in terms of performance.
So you are telling my inlandgold is not a trust worthy PSU maker? But it has gold in the same, that has to mean something.
Apparently this PSU managed to survive the JonnyGURU stress test, it did not get any good results but he said he expected it to die and it did not. Granted he also said spend the $5 more and get the 430w which scored a lot better, and that is the path I would have followed.
What GPU do you plan on going with? I have an old R7 250x paired with my G3258 (OCed to 4.5ghz), it games okay but nothing spectacular.
I find it funny that the z chips are coming really close in price to the non-z chips. I agree now, I would not want to OC on a H chipset though if possible with your bios a few hundred mhz should be save if you dont have to increase voltage.
Oh, I tried. lol :D
The PC name a Doctor Who reference?
I dont think you will have any issues OCing, you have a z170 mobo and a unlocked CPU. Airflow may be an issue, but looks like you are using that 200m fan for a 120m rad so you should have enough airflow to keep the mobo cool. I am actually using that same case, but I dont have unlocked parts in it.
Keep in mind we were already supposed to have Zen out and it keeps getting pushed back. I am holding my breath until AMD gives a hard date. I am really hoping Zen lives up to the hype.
Welcome to the modern age. :D I prefer AMD myself, but its been so long since they updated last and Zen is still a good bit off.
Have you tried to OC that i7 yet?
I would not have gone with AM3+ with how antiquated that socket is, but all and all a really good looking build. +1 for your mate.
How well does it preform?
The PCMR welcomes you. Enjoy the magical 60fps.
I got those idle temps, it idles at 28deg (30deg on core 1 and 26deg on core 2). I left the PC running doing nothing for about 6 hours, so this is about as idle is it gets. lol
Your very welcome. I am actually impressed with the performance of this cooler. I was going to go with the 212 evo but it would not fit in the original case I had planned so I got the T4. I have owned 212's and between those and this T4 there is not really much of a difference IMO. I would definitely recommend the T4.
Clocked at 4.5ghz with a core volt of 1.356 it keeps the CPU right at 70deg (core 1 was about 72deg and core 2 was about 68deg) when running prime95. I ran it for 12hrs when testing my overclock and the temps stayed stable. The ambient temps in the room were around 23deg. (All temps in Celsius). 4.5ghz is stable and what I am currently running the G3258 at, temps stay well with in the save range for this CPU.
The highest I saw was 80deg on core 1 when testing 4.8ghz with a core volt of 1.39. core 2 was sitting around 75deg. In the end I was not able to get 4.8ghz stable so I did not worry about the temps much. It handled prime95 for about 45min before crashing so I feel they are fairly accurate temps for this clock speed.
I will have to check my idle temps, I don't remember making note of them. I will post those when I get a chance.
Is this what you were looking for?
This is not my build (I am not the poster) why would I have looked for a water cooler? I was talking about CPU choices. Myself I don't care for AIOs, too many points of failure. I prefer to stick with good air coolers like the 212 evo and the like. I am using a H55 on a small itx build that did not have the room for a proper air cooler.
I agree the 6300 would have been a better choice for CPU, and can be found for $80 pretty easily. Heck microcenter (if one is local) has the FX8320e for $80. Even for an aging CPU that is a really good price and would stomp the CPU in this build pretty handedly.
I dont see the 4350 keeping up with the 8350 no matter what you do, keep in mind any overclocking you do to the 4350 you can do to the 8350 and keep the performance gap.
Where I agree an i3-6100 may have been a better option, you have to consider it is also it is $50 more than he paid for this CPU. Also keep in mind the builder wanted team red.
For the $230 he spent on CPU+cooler he could have gotten an i5-6500 and curb stomped the 4350, 8350, and i3-6100 in terms of performance. With the 6500 being locked there is no reason to watercool anyway. This is also leaving out the excess spent on the motherboard which could have been had for about $40 cheaper (off the top of my head) as well. But again the builder wanted AMD and all it has to do is make him happy I suppose.
I would have gone with a different CPU, but other than that this build looks amazing. Myself sticking with team red I would have picked up a 6300 or 8350, but in the $80 price range nothing really competes with the 4350. With team blue you would only have dual cores in this price range and for about $50-$60 above it, so we will leave them out of this.
Good no nonsense parts list and the build its self looks great. +1 for sure.
Have you guys overclocked that CPU?
So long as you are not pushing it things should be fine for some time to come. However the lower end PSU's (like this one) use cheaper parts and cut corners. Cheaper compasiters will blow caps when pushed too far, and some of the protections that will keep the mobo safe in the event of PSU failure will be skimped. This means a failure that would make you replace a high end PSU will make you replace the entire system with this PSU as nothing (or not enough) is keeping the other hardware safe. Also cheap PSU's are notorious for not meeting their output rating. For example a cheap PSU rated at 500w may only be able to hit 350w.
I have never had a cheap PSU completely fail on me. However I had an enland gold PSU just to test parts with kill a HDD. When I looked everything over apparently the pins on the power connector were not separated correctly and arched frying the PCB on the HDD. People will give you all kinds of horror stories, most of them are exaggerations but as with most stories there is base truth.
Unfortunately I cannot find any direct reviews (from places like Jonnyguru) on this PSU. So we are stuck going off of raidmaxes reputation which is not that good, though they do have a few good PSU’s like the RX-700AT.
We all start somewhere, I dont even want to talk about the part choices on my first build lol. You got a rock solid foundataion, upgrading to something like a RX470/480 or GTX1060 (after the PSU of course) will have you crushing games at 1080p.
Some people dont like corsair PSU's and I have gotten flack for them before. I have used them for years in all kinds of systems and never had any issues, so I was just getting the rant ready. :D
The stock cooler fits fine under the PSU with enough clearance to get your hand in between so I would not worry about that. After market low profile coolers will be fine also, the H55 I used had plenty of room to spare. If you are using the stock cooler (or any air cooler really) point the PSU fan to the top of the case and all will be well, this way the PSU and CPU are not fighting for the same air. If you are using a water cooler point it down to help move air across the mobo.
I have moved out of this case, it was too small for what I was doing. You are extremely restricted on your GPU options. There is a drive mounting bracket that cannot be removed where the GPU pulls air, I did not think this caused an issue but something to note. If you use a water cooler the motherboard stays really warm, I did not like that. Dont get me wrong, its a good case, but I would not suggest it for gaming.
I would dump that PSU, but other than that this build is good and looks sharp.
I would avoid the R7-370 unless you get it at a really good price, it is actually the refresh of the R7-260 not the R9-270. I actually have a 370 2gb and 4 gb. They are not that impressive, med gaming or high with compromises at 1080p at around 50fps. If you are looking in the $150 price range I would shoot for the RX470 (if you can find one at MSRP) or the GTX1050ti, if you can splurge to $200 go for the GTX1060 3gb. I was actually able to find a $200 RX480 for $200 with a $20 MIR that I picked up this week. If it is still available and you can swing $200 it may be worth getting. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KIZUF7Y/ref=ya_st_dp_summary
This motherboard has onboard graphics, so unless he was gaming (which this build is not meant for) a GPU is useless and a waste of money. The onboard video is more than enough for what he is doing.
Got to make it look pretty.