Your build will definitely do the job. My dads using an old Dell Vostro 420 with 4GB ram. I swapped the E8300 CPU for the quad Q9550 and added kingston 120gb SSD (used purchases from ebay). Works perfectly!! Yet your build with the G4560 cpu and DDR4 ram is far more superior for the aforementioned tasks. Dad does exactly what you listed, basic office applications, outlook, browsing, accounting software, videos, etc.
As others have mentioned I too recommend SSD! You can pick up 120 gigs of kingston for around 30 quid (total cost £260). These SSD's are not the fastest around but far more superior compared to HD's with the added bonus of 'zero noise'. The second drive, the HD can be used for storing data. Dunno about your old man, but mines constantly making images and videos on his phone which are then synced to his Onedrive hence the 2 drive solution. Depends on your old mans storage requirements for both present and near future.
p.s. RAM no big issue, you can always upgrade by adding another stick at a later time if needed.
ah, my bad! I swear i saw a 4 fan push pull config on a rad on the front lol. On closer inspection, yep i need to re-visit specsavers.
I just realised something viewing those added pics
Both of your 2 top fans and the 4 fans on the front (push/pull on rad) are all set as intakes. Thats 6 intake fans and only 1 on the rear as exhaust. Thats a lot of negative airflow.
Was that intentional or in error?
Heat travels upwards hence I would switch the 2 top case fans to 'exhaust'. Basically that will give you 4 intake fans (on the rad) and 3 exhaust fans in total. Maybe run prime95 again and see if that improves the temps.
Agreed: definitely try out the games or other CPU extensive tasks which you are usually running to see how well those temps work.
This machine definitely begs for more pics. I've seen this case online several times but it was never so pleasing to the eyes. But looking at it now in an actual build - IT LOOKS STUNNING!!!!! Better then my S340 :(
I have the 7700K (1.30v @ 5.0GHz OC) paired up with the Kraken x62 AIO. Prime95 S-FFTs was hitting around 85-86c.. I changed the AIOs pre-applied TIM to Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1g 1g. It didn't make that much of a difference but much preferred with temps peaking at 80-82c. It's good enough as prime-95 is hardly a realistic test based on real time full load usage. Best bet, run something like realbench benchmarks and see if the results are pleasing. My RB test temps hang at their peak around 75ish. Though when photo and video editing or playing BF1 and GTA5 with max settings I barely ever hit above 65c. I only use prime95 to stress test my OC configuration to look out for crashes/BSODs and as long as im not going over 85c, im super comfortable.
Also try amping up the fan curve as long as its audible-comfy, may help to reduce the temps.
Not a big fan of the colours, but when you get the combination absolutely perfect like that - it looks FABULOUS!!
Great build! +1
I totally get what you mean with the cables but regardless, I love it.
That fan set up looks interesting!! Straight up airflow like it should be!
My only recommendation: change to ''PC IN A JAR" lol, sounds wicked!!!
Dude if this was running a low profile GT 710 i would still want it featured. It's the build that counts for me, not necessarily the price of top notch parts.
Yeah fan splitters!!!! Was gonna suggest the same!
I have a 6 fan set up in my NZXT S340 elite. Luckily for me, my AIO cooler (Kraken X62) came with a 4-fan splitter which connects directly to the pump which enabled a 4 fan push/pull config on the rad for the intake. I then used the 2 mobo usb headers for the exhaust fans.
I haven't tried fan splitters via mobo USB headers though. I would want to check fan performance taking this route as these headers are limited in their power supply. Not sure if this will affect the fan max speeds or what not.
To choose a motherboard using PCPP you can simply add your cpu to the build list and then let the compatibility filters offer you the best choice for the mobo. When selecting the mobo, you can further filter what you need for example, how many external USB ports, mobo USB headers for fans or what not, etc.
Motherboards also come in different sizes, so if you are going for a small case you will be limited to smaller mobos, etc.
If you are uncertain of what you need, a good place to start is to open a new thread and point out exactly what the purpose of use is, the type of video/photo editing your involved in, 'your budget' and possibly parts or cases which are of interest to you. You can do this in the forums section under 'Create a part list for me'. If you take this route, add as much info as possible, even if you want led lit circus of a build, list it down. If you want a super fast booting system, mention it. If you are looking at particular brands or build styles or have a colour theme in mind, jot it down. If you want a large case, or a mini, a flat desktop case or a case that can house a ton of fans or none, add it. You will definitely benefit from the recommendations offered and you can always query the suggestions and ask for updated lists. For my first build, I did the same and user recommendations were great, though I was familiar already with the type of case I was going for and the CPU, i did benefit nicely with the mobo as several features were pointed out which I was completely unaware of. (eg. mobo rgb headers, M.2 NVME SSD headers, etc)
I was soooo thinking of picking up this case for a home theatre with a low budget, G4600 CPU set-up. Checked out several builds a few weeks back on YT, google and PCPP.
Without a doubt, your build knocks all of what i've seen, way out of the park and far beyond the asteroid belt. Fitting the water works in this anorexic health anomaly didn't even cross my mind, assuming it was impossible to produce something visually/aesthetically pleasing and that too in a tight spot. Unfortunately for me, I don't have that set of skill with the custom water works but love the idea for future possibilities with this case. Amazing BUILD!
+1 and then some
and you aid in developing code for iOS too....ah damn it, how do I take my rating point back for this build lol
Just kidding, it's all good bro!
BESIDES THE APPLE MAC LAPTOP EWWW LOL, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS SUPER CLEAN, FINE DETAILED, A PLANNERS MASTER PIECE OF AN AMAZING BUILD!!!!!!
It's personal preference i guess, but i like the look and feel of every single part used in this build and how it comes together with the blues.
+1 and then some!
.....and its upside down
Amazing build mate! With the leds on, looks like something fell out of the sky and after years of government cover up someone leaked pictures lol In other words 'its out of this world fantastic'
Initially it was a tough run getting my first build up and running and assuming something went wrong. After installing cam it was almost as if heavens doors got pushed open with glorious led lights splashing and flashing out. I felt pure again lol
If anyone has similar concerns:
My HUE+ fan and led strips did not light up when booting up for the first time prior to installing CAM (as some users claimed from online searches). Only the HUE+ box lit up which lead me to believe I had incorrectly wired everything up. Eventually, after installing the CAM software, both the AER RGB fans and led strip lights lit up - relieved!!
About the USB1314 and ROG EXT headers, these are both listed as ''ROG CONNECTORS'' in the manual. The manual fails to inform that the USB1314 can also be used as a separate USB 2.0 connector for devices other than ROG. I have read comments from others online who ended up purchasing a HUE+ 2.0 HUB as they assumed their mobo only supported 2 USB headers. The Z270E comes with 3 USB headers, USB0910, USB1112 and USB1314. If you plan on installing a ROG device only then you are left with two.
My set up:
I guess so!
But can you interpret those stats and confirm whether i followed the instructions correctly. I paid quite a bit for this NVMe SSD and just want to make sure I get my monies worth!
Dude I just finished up with my first build with a case presenting a base shroud for the PSU and cables, shrouded ram sticks, kind of shrouded AIO pump, shrouded GPU, shrouded this, shrouded that and all the leds, the fan leds, the mobo leds, the gpu leds, the led strips, etc and on top the S340 case does a pretty fine job concealing all cables too. Though I love it, i have to admit the thought did pop up 'huh, wheres all the mechanics gone?' I LOVE MECHANICS TOO!! My build feels more like a marvelled futuristic piece of wall decor rather than the masculinity of industrial computing which is art itself.
BOTTOM LINE: MAN WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE PRETTY LOL....+1
I've been googling plenty about it too, I think its best I leave it off.
What are you running on your PC? I don't think i've seen a 64 gig ram build before (then again, I only joined this year)
Actually I haven't seen the 18 core i9 also
Hold on a minute, I haven't seen 'THREE' PCIe SSDs in a single build either
Thank God it's only 2 1080ti's - i've seen those before (i think)
+1 FOR THE BIG BANG AND THOUGH IM NOT A BIG FAN OF 'RED', I'M LIKING THIS ONE BIG TIME!
Nice! I had DDR3 added to amazon for the same/similar price.
I've bookmarked the ebuyer page! thanks!
Majority of the car market being electric? I'm not concerned as I don't believe I will be around in the era of persuasion (I hope not). On a positive note, for the future generations (hopefully long before im 6 feet under) they should absolutely be confined to elements which make mother earth a safer place to live in. Now, if governments start passing bills to enforce mass changes...thats a whole different ball game - certainly not a desirable solution for everyone. But who knows, with electric cars the ''mod culture'' won't be far behind.
p.s. SELF-DRIVING! LOL....I don't do piggy backs, might as well ride a bike
I have the Samsung 960 EVO M.2 SSD (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GbHNr7)
Ideally I prefer the M.2_2 slot as the other one is overshadowed by the large GPU. But assuming, I did place this on the M.2_1 slot, can I change SATA-mode to PCIe-mode in BIOS? I read on tomshardware that this setting is configurable but would disable SATA 1. Correct?
Wow! How on earth did I miss this post.
I was cleaning up my inbox and just saw your message showing up as ''read''. That's odd, since its my first time going through it.
Great info and I really appreciate the links too. I wass thinking more along the lines of a GT 710 GPU as it's a spare machine for watching movies in 1080p only and light browsing, youtube, netflix, etc. These cards are going for around £30 which I think will do just fine for now.
Thanks for confirming the Quad chip. I started a similar thread on PCPP and I got the same advice. So far I came up with the Q9400, and the Q9650 being the max this mobo will take.
Yeah I get what you mean with the upgrade/full on purchase.
TBH i only use whatsapp as a regular means to keep in touch with people or the usual SMS. Besides that, forums are the only other way I make contact with the outside world.
We can stay in touch via the private message feature on PCPP...ill send you a message from there shortly. Actually I just realised we were yapping away on a public forum lol
Hey man check this out....i just received my GPU and SSD backplate!! WOOOOHOOOO
Haven't fully unpacked it yet - wont get time tonight to check with the GPU but i'm liking it so far.
About the budget, why not just get something cheaper, maybe 1080p monitor, 1060/1070 GPU, standard SSD, etc. With a decent mobo, you could later upgrade. Selling these parts for upgrades is easier than I thought.
Is it for gaming?
My Rigs mostly for work, image editing (major) and video rendering (minor). Oh and (Battlefield 1 :P) though i'm not a big gamer. I wouldnt mind playing GTA 5 too as it ran ****** on my 17" laptop on low res.
I actually it believed it so. For a second I thought 'holy shagamolly, this guys bank account is bigger than Englands gold reserves' lol. That was some serious power under the hood! You should of added one of those 12 core intel i7 chips too, dude those go around for £1500. That would have given me a right good old scare. BTW, i love OVERKILLS!
If you have a 3d printer and laser cutter at your disposal, dude start making backplates and sell them on Ebay. UK sellers haven;t caught on yet like V1TECH and coldzero. I was so thinking about it but can't make time at the moment.
I too want to get a CNC router and a Laser cutter, maybe a vinyl design and scorer too. Man everything just costs too much to make dreams come true. I'm so in the wrong business, should have been a professional assassin like bank robber or a rogue MI5 agent lol
Oh crikeeees, I'm not good with names lol.
On first impressions I like 'ACHROMATIC BLACKOUT'. It's catchy, explosive and perfectly catches the colourless contrast unless you plan on unleashing RGB as the constant norm.
lol i love that design, 'VENTILATION FOR NERDS' HAHA. That was super quick and clever! Although you can get some really nice backplates made with RGB led strips...it costs way more. I can't remember the sellers website (USA) but some nice designs available.
So you upgraded your rig 'a tiny bit'???? lol Dude you just took a car off the road and converted it into a spaceship. Are you seriously going for that rig? I mean 64gb ram? 2 1080tis? M.2 1tb SSD? Can i ask what you plan on doing with this rig?
It's a beast!
Just make sure your Gran doesn't kick you out. She'll be like, 'finally I have my gaming machine' lol
I agree, prices for backplates are a little expensive and then on top shipping costs don't help either. I custom designed mine and purchased 3-4 days ago from Coldzero for the 1080ti card. For your 1080 strix they have these ready-made designs available: http://www.coldzero.eu/473-asus-gtx-1080-strix
Don't be limited to these designs, you can contact Ricardo from the contacts page and change anything you like, colour, fonts, custom art designs, etc etc. There is an additional charge of near about 10 euros for custom designs. I prefer the vent holes for cards which dont have waterblocks as Heat tends to travel upwards hence these exhaust holes will help. I'm sure V1tech takes custom orders too or offers similar solutions.
My end design: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiFa_cigODDDgf92bgKxRfJWnS_LQQ
Hardly cost friendly though - the alternatives:
DIY 3mm perspex and maybe add some stickers, decal or spray on designs.
Find someone cheap on ebay who cuts perspex to size. Measure up GPU and send in for cut work. Some of these sellers also laser engrave, cut or or produce CNC patterns and cut-outs. CHEAP too, as some of them are private individuals with the right tools and far better than actual companies who charge £30-40 for just producing draft designs for approval.
I just remembered...your table! Wow, i was googling it. If I had room I would have purchased that right now hehe. Thats a slick looking desk. Mines like 15 years old, had to sand it down, give it some white paint and then purchased vinyl black wrap to over the top. Turned out nice! Was gonna buy a new one but most decent ones wont fully fit the desk space area which im stuck with.
Dude don't feel bad...i'm a total yapper. Roadman Shaqs got nothing on me when it comes to long-winded words and stretched sentences lol
You haven't seen nothing yet, wait till my delayed mechanical keyboard arrives....im typing books for replies.
Yeah I agree - our builds are almost the same hence why I'm glad I found someone with similar taste and requirements. BTW, the fans? whattttt. I thought you had ML140/120 same as mine. They got them in RGB now?? My builds gonna be black and white only - but I wanted the RGB option on all or most parts to show-boat occasionally lol. I so would have purchased these!
I would so much better prefer the wall option as wall mounts would produce the cleanest set up. Problem with mine is, my desk mounts were pre-purchased and were left shelved up in our families business office. Since these were spare, I took them both free of charge :P Didn't expect much from them judging by the cost price on Amazon/Ebay until I tried them out - super chuffed!
I do have images of an almost completed build. But not for the monitor mounts, as I had to remove these after testing it out for added desk space. More importantly, I rather die then have my woman-like 27" gorgeous screen getting scratched whilst twisting and turning the case throughout the build process.
I intentionally added a previous image to show what my desk space looked like before (boring) and then the face lift for the build. I plan on eventually changing the carpet for a mid-grey and the cupboards painted white - hate those current mouldy colours!
Do you mean additional cables? If yes, you won't need anything additional as the PSU, Mobo and Case are packaged with everything you need. Additional power sleeved cables are optional to give the case some pizzazz but not necessary,
If you are asking about the packaged cables in your build, don't worry about these. There will be a number of cables, connectors or bits and pieces that will have arrived with your parts which wont be needed. Always refer to the manuals which in most cases super easy to follow. My advice, unpack the mobo first and follow the mobo manual and leave the PSU to last. For me, everything fell in place nicely. This way, I was able to connect all my parts step-by-step without throwing myself in a haystack of confusion. Once each part is installed according to their manuals, leave all other bits and pieces back in the parts packaging box (out of sight lol...contagious extras) before moving onto the next part. For parts which require power, thus the PSU would complete the job, i used masking tape and labelled those cable ends with the part descriptions which made it super easy to remember what goes where! Bottom line: take your time, part by part and should queries arise, query them here and once resolved than move on to the next one.
For the clamp plate which sits on the desk-top, the package will include 5 round adhesive rubber pads to stick on the plate for a padded grip. The bottom adjustable plate which grips the under side of the table is plain metal with no padding. On my old IKEA desk, which is 25mm thick, it works perfectly well and sturdier than expected. BTW, the link I provided is what I purchased. I went for something super affordable. There are a number of other options, better ones too, with more functionality and i'm assuming even more sturdier. Just be sure to purchase one which supports a 27" screen and is 100x100 VESA compatible as your monitors mounting spec is 100mm x 100mm.
me too! I got both monitors hooked up on the mounts and the build is almost complete, just waiting for my keyboard and a couple of parts before I power up.
BTW, if interested check these user builds using the same case and find the ones using same/similar parts. A number of these will also show temps from the posters. You'd be quite surprised, the S340 elite in many of these builds produces great results, not much difference in comparison to some of the other cases with those large airflow openings for non-obstructive intake. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/builds/by_part/F28H99
lol about "I want to get everything just right" i totally get it bro. My current build is my first and using laptops all my life, it's my first PC too. I knew next to nothing 7 months ago and I've been researching like a mad-man ever since lol. I had the same agenda 'must get it spot on', with that comes the burden of constant questions and trust me I had many endless ones, probably bored the crap out of very helpful members on here and other forums. So if you wanna know anything, I would be more than happy to help or atleast share the little I know.
Considering the case has only one exhaust on back and one on top and the front panel pulling air from the top and bottom gaps of the front cover, I too was concerned. In the end, user stats/reportings were sufficient to overcome any doubts as I had not seen any real problem with this type of set up.
If you are fully assembled, have you tested the temps using your current set up? If yes, what are you getting?
Personally, I prefer the plain and boxed-up look of the case, it just looks slick. For positive pressure, I stuck 4 fans on my radiator for a push/pull config, maybe something you might want to consider if the temps are an issue. Note: the push/pull config demands some light modding to the cable management bar to be shifted a little to the left to get them fitted in.
I don't know about sellers offering either of these alternatives you mentioned above. But for my Acer with those horrible red legs. I picked up a single arm desk mount to get rid of the stand. Personally, I love the way these stands make the Monitor look as if its hovering above and more importantly 'you get more desk space'. Something like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VonHaus-Single-Arm-Monitor-Mount-for-13-27-Screens-Desktop-Stand-with-Clamp-/302018372654?epid=2254363870&hash=item4651b2a42e:g:uvkAAOSw5HJXKctV
Heres me: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/LIVE_AMMO/saved/ZT3BmG
Probably the best support i've had on here....just when hope is almost dead the FN230 emerges! LEGEND!
lol, in other words 'massively appreciated' :)
Thanks for the heads up. Taking everything into consideration I came up with the following:
CPU Q9400 @ £19.99: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362114767323
GPU GT 710 @ £31.85: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201787085488
What do you think?
A quick question about the GPU, for another £6 I can get the GT-710 (gigabyte) with a fan. For playing 1080p being the constant norm and sometimes having a crack at 4K (<30fps) would the temps shoot up enough to beg for a fan or will passive cooling be sufficient?
Sorry, hope you don't mind me asking about another upgrade. I have my eyes set on the following 120GB SSD:
Since my mobo supports SATA II only for which I can benefit only 300mbs at max, is it worth buying this SSD or are there alternative options with cheaper offerings? Ideally, I want to use my current 480 GB for storing videos taken on phone/downloaded films and then use a faster drive to run the OS, office, browser, couple of basic apps and teamviewer (to control media PC from my laptop). What would you recommend?
I added a Q9550 to my ebay shopping basket. The seller feedback is excellent and the 25 product ratings by customers are literally 5 stars! Gives me a little confidence for quality. Most importantly only £30 (used/refurbished). What do you think?
About the GPU, i shouldn't have opened my mouth with the 4K thing lol, i guess I was future-proofing, these cards cost more than I blindly desired. I'll stick with HD vids as these are more realistic in term of my family's requirements. We usually just watch netflix, PB. youtube, etc. Can you recommend a decent card around the £50 mark. A little lower/higher no problem. Anything will be better than my current ATI HD 3650 which is benching at 2.12% and userbankmark rightfully brands it as 'terrible' lol
great info! Thanks for providing alternatives too, makes things so much easier.
As for the RAM, I was randomly checking memory performance using Windows task manager > performance tab > Memory - lol I had no idea, there it was 'Speed: 800Mhz'. Well that solves 1 out of 3 queries :)
I am definitely going to purchase the upgrades for CPU+GPU - checking prices already!
Thanks and thank God I found a vostro man hehe
After reading your reply, i watched a video on YT for the mod - i think for me, i'll be out of my comfort zone but your recommendation for the Q9650 sounds good! compared to my current E8300, how much of a difference can I expect?
As for the GPU, i don't need the best of the best but definitely something that will smoothly play 1080p.. If it's under £50 and can play 4K too, I would be interested as our TV is 4K capable. Would you recommend trying out a used card purchased from Ebay or Amazon? For my needs which would be best?
I'm also a little bit confused about the RAM. I was told by one of our staff the RAM runs at 800Mhz. But using speccy the information provided was '4GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 398MHz (6-6-6-18)'. I read online sometimes the Mhz provided is for each of the channels, hence if I have Dual Channel it would mean 398Mhz x 2 = 796Mhz (hence 800Mhz). Would that be correct or have I misunderstood. Should I consider replacing the RAM for something better?
Hi, sorry i just started a new thread as i thought i was going off-topic
Hope you guys can help :)
I've had my mouse for some time now and had no idea about the software. When you mentioned the mouse driver above, i thought it was in error as all my mice connect automatically. So i googled it anyway and boom! My mouse has a dedicated app with a number of features! Finally, i get to remove the RGB lighting lol, got tired of it after the first few days.
Thanks guys, I will definitely report back once I have the machine. Since all are recommending the Dell vostro 420, I have a dirty secret to confess. I bought this machine home a month ago, briefly tested it out and sent it back as I have always used laptops and the machine was no where as fast as my lappies. I've been learning a lot in the past few months in pursuit of my almost completed first power-house PC build. The enthusiasm without any real need for a second PC is enough to bring the Vostro 420 back!
Entirely depends on how the system performs. I should have the Dell Vostro 420 hopefully by tomorrow night. After giving it a nice dust-free cleanup, I want to wipe the drive clean and run the OS fresh and then test it out.
If it runs like a snail I will definitely look for affordable upgrades.
BTW, once I can confirm the mobo model is there a website I can feed the details into to search for compatible upgrades?
excellent! I've been looking where to compare parts, this website is the bombbbb! Exactly what I need.
Yep - by miles! Definitely sticking with the Dell Vostro 420
thanks, are these old PCs SSD compatible?
If the PC is too slow I might end up picking up a 64 or 128gb SSD depending on price