Firstly, if you are able to connect an ethernet cable you will get 100% best performance, not even the best wifi cards can compete with the cheaper ethernet connect.
If the router is at a considerable distance from the computer or cables running through the home are not the desired option, honestly take this board: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FMJkcf/asrock-z370-killer-sliac-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z370-killer-sliac
It only costs $8 more. Not only do you get AC wifi but some other added features which might comes handy in future. More importantly when you use PCI bandwidths, the data transfer speeds are reduced on the GPU and other PCI lane features. Hence I would prefer the integrated MOBO option. The Z370 motherboard also has 4 additional PCI lanes compared to B360 board hence if you wanted to add something extra later there's less chance of disrupting max performance on PCI-EXPRESS data lanes. Definitely worth $8 more for peace of mind!
TAKEN OFF PCI EXPRESS CARD
ADDED AC WIFI INTEGRATED MOTHERBOARD
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Yes you should receive a small tube with thermal paste with the cooler. It's not the best but its more than adequate for a non-overclocking CPU. Watch a couple of well-rated youtube guides showing how to apply the paste and how to evenly apply the pressure when screwing down or mounting the CPU cooler. These steps are important to maximise the compounds performance.
Its not too late, the storage, PSU and case are fully compatible with AMD and INTEL boards
You could go for a mini/micro board if you haven;t already purchased the case. If you have purchased the case, then it may be cheaper to go with the additional PCI express AC WIFI card unless you don't mind adding $30-$40 more for the integrated board.
Yes VGA and HDMI included!
the i5-8400 will do everything, gaming, streaming and editing/rendering and it will do it very well! It's a top notch CPU.
All parts will look nice! If you want a particular colour theme, you can swap a few things around and it may cost a little more depending on parts availability.
Please don't apologise as I am more than happy to help and if you have any additional questions don't hesitate to ask.
Yes 500GB SSD should be more than enough with plenty of room to carry your 'active' work-load like images and videos. Save games and data on the HD drives. SSDs do not improve gaming performance hence games are better kept on HD's.
MX500 SSD from Crucial is as fast as Samsung and $10 cheaper and likewise a very solid built and reliable unit.
I changed the HD's to x2 TB each. It's cheaper and Seagate is again very reliable. WD Black is over-rated, loud and expensive.
Changed PSU to Seasonic 650W. It's plenty of power for future upgrades and offer more than sufficient power efficiency margins.
I changed the RAM sticks to slightly better performing modules without the RGB. Best thing to do is first make sure all your parts meet your performance requirements within a set budget. Once complete, if any headroom is available within the budget, then use those savings to add added features such as RGB, etc.
I have a couple of questions to determine whether the other selected parts are best for you:
Are you planning on overclocking your CPU?
Best tailored graphics card for your requirement also depends on your display output. What is your monitors resolution and refresh rate? (eg. 1080p 60hz). This will help to determine a decent GPU for current and future titles.
Liquid Cooling AIOs are expensive and large mounted air coolers are cheaper, yet both perform equally, as well as each other! By preference do you want to stick with AIOs? or are you open to Air Coolers too?
Whats your max budget?
@TheUprisingToaster - ^Now this looks good!!! Although if you prefer an AIO, it will stretch your budget or you have the option of dropping G-sync. If you don't know what it is - look it up online
@ImperiousBattlestar - I was under the impression the OPs from UK, no? UK uses 3 pin plugs and the selected PSU is a 2 pin euro plug. OP - CONFIRM?
i5 will easily handle those! It's a 6-core CPU - so plenty of headroom.
Overlocking? if yes, change the CPU cooler for a dual rad AIO or a high-end air cooler.
Definitely replace the PSU for EVGA SUPERNOVA G3 or Seasonics Gold Focus. Evga NEX is older and of lower quality.
Integrated AC WIFI needed?
The rest looks great!
Go for a 144hz monitor if the budget allows. The gtx 1080 is more than capable of shooting far and beyond 75fps at top settings. it will add to the budget so it would make sense to switch to a I5-8600k as i7 for gaming doesnt add anything on top (overkill).
650w PSU is more than enough with room for upgrades and plenty of headroom for those recommended power efficiency margins.
For a gaming RIG im glad you stayed away from M.2 NVME drives...won't make much difference, potentially none.
Will you be overclocking?
Go with this motherboard: (EVGA is wayyy over-priced)
Both specs above seem good for the task BUT:
For your NVME performance savvy read/write speeds take 500GB. Larger capacities offer additional NAND chips for seamless processing and efficiently faster sequential R/W performance. More importantly more proficient long term endurance without dog-tailing latency issues due to regular sequential processes. Added headroom will work very nicely for active workloads on the go. As for the ADATA XPG its a mid-tier PCIE EXP X2 stick with slower sequential R/W speeds offering half the performance compared to the NVME 1.3 (PCIE generation: 3.0 x 4) sticks. Samsung 970 evo is what i would take for those heavy-duty active catalogues, offering 3-bit MLC, expanded cache memory and top notch extraordinary performance (3.5GBs/2.5GBs) which is 3/4 times faster than Adata XPG. Samsung 970 will cost more but worth every penny for your type of work and a good storage controller is probably one of the best investments you can make for bulked Img/vid sequentials/constant data transfers. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/P4ZFf7/samsung-970-evo-500gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-mz-v7e500bw
You may want to benefit from USB 3.1 Gen-2 speeds which are 10Gbps (PCI EXPRESS data transfer bandwidths) compared to the previous Gen 5Gbps. For this take the ASUS Z370-E board (AC WIFI + BLUETOOTH included) https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/8sRFf7/asus-rog-strix-z370-e-gaming-atx-lga1151-motherboard-strix-z370-e-gaming
GPU: For low-RES rendering take the future-proof overkill GTX 1050. For 4K RES take the GTX 1050 TI/GTX 760 (preferably OC edition)
If the DVD burner is discounted (maybe go with an external one) take the S340 Elite which perfectly compliments your black/white theme. Although if you need the optical drive for regular usage I would probably stick with it. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/F28H99/nzxt-ca-s340w-w2-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-s340w-w2
I use photoshop and lightroom and data simply piles up FAST (depends on your workload). Currently hosting a 500gb nvme + 500gb ssd I threw in 2TB HD for an archive vault and on top supporting 1 4TB external HD for backups and 1TB cloud storage for the all-mighty sensitive data store. So maybe re-consider your storage requirements and throw in a third storage solution with the likes of a 7200rpm HD or something.
If you're not overclocking take i7-8700 (minus -k)
ASUS mobo also offers RGB headers supported with ASUS aura - their lighting config software. Works pretty well. If you want to add additional RGB stuff (led strips, led fans, ) look for 'asus aura' compatible accessories/peripherals. Though, I would first focus on getting full performance for your buck before pursuing the RGB add-ons. These can be added later! What you may want to consider for your current RGB endeavours, which is a sizeable investment, are G.skills Trident Z RGB sticks....they pack a punch and look amazing https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/KJ2rxr/gskill-tridentz-rgb-32gb-4-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16q-32gtzr
With GTX 1070 which is perfect for your 144hz display. You could throw any game on ULTRA at your GPU and very easily land 120-144fps
The i3-8100 is a quad core CPU and will do a perfect job
RAM reduced to 8GB. If you can raise the budget - take 16GB!
The case is a personal choice and if your budget allows there are many other choices, well better ones too, although the one added in both recommendations is very decent for whats it worth!!
he has a GTX 1070 inside a computer? Where was he supposed to have it? In the freezer with the frozen peas? lol
Purpose of use?
You don't need thermal paste, the stock cooler paste performs just as good as AC5
Rather than picking up a separate PCI-EXPRESS card for AC wifi you might prefer AC WIFI integrated motherboards which come with antennas and work flawlessly. Plus using an additional PCI lane does limit your data bandwidth for the GPU, Lan and USB 3.1 ports.
You might want to check whether this case comes with dust filters. That a lot of fan mounts and if not filtered, it's a dust magnet. At that price you also have some great alternatives without the internal drive bays (esp optical drives) making building PC's a little more easier and refreshing for future upgrades. Personally for air cooled cases 2 intake fans and 2 exhaust (fully filtered) is all you need. It's a personal choice so it's entirely up to you! With current featured offerings, if of interest: PSU Shroud, full size tempered glass, better cable management routes and more premium looking plastic options are available.
Windows OEM is non-transferable, you might prefer the retail version
Changed RAM to 3000Mhz (backwards compatible for the mobo's max 2666Mhz) and very reasonably priced for $10 more. For productivity and multi-tasking these sticks offer better performance and with higher mapping frequency you get lower latency hence faster multi-tasking.
8GB RAM is more than sufficient for your build purpose unless you are running a number of other hungry memory munching applications. Anyway, if you want to go ahead with 16GB, i guess its good for future proofing!
HD changed to a more current edition from Seagate. The M008 uses 3 platters instead of 2 (previous model: M001). Performance-wise M001 is slightly better but for reliability the 3 platter unit offer higher life expectancy and runs a little cooler! Either way don't bother looking into platter variants as your primary OS drive is an SSD where all the real action will take place hence reliability has been selected over the unnoticeable performance gain.
If you really want to add to your configuration, performance wise you already have a very solid build and don't really require anything more. In fact you can downsize and save money on top. But if you are willing to spend I would invest more in "productivity" which brings us to the display. You have the option for a 27" 1440p display, much larger screen real-estate and sharper image quality with refined texts, lines and characters. Or go with two 24" 1080p displays. The problem you have with 2560x1080p widescreen is the height of the display is smaller in length but wider. This can have a negative impact when wanting to view more on the screen with a single page hence more scrolling down. It's not a problem but something you might want to consider.
PSU is great and will work nicely for your workloads - although newer models are available with better build quality for greater reliability and long-long-term-endurance.
For gaming only, hands-down, I would take this configuration. The i5-8400 way outperforms the Ryzen 5 1600 with faster single and quad-core effective speeds (around 20% more performance). The i5 also comes with a stock cooler which does a pretty neat job for non-OC chips but its ugly. I added the m9i cooler from CRYORIG which outperforms both the Ryzen and Intel stock coolers and on top it's a beefy heatsink, looks great and the static fan press is superior and runs quietly.
A side note: If you plan on streaming too somewhere down the line the i5 is more than sufficient. Although if you intend on video rendering, 3D modelling or any other type of HEDT-workstation type of encoding/rendering - go with Ryzen even if it means lower single/quad-core performance as the multi-core threading advantages are greater.
OPTIONAL: Rather then buying a separate PCI card for AC WIFI, you also have the option of buying a AMD/INTEL motherboard with integrated AC WIFI. Basically it comes with the antennas and works just as good as these pci-express cards. If it's an option you want to consider, the integrated boards will cost more (maybe adding $20-$40 to the total budget).
Heres what I recommend:
You can save money by dropping down to RYZEN 7 1700X. In terms of performance there isn't hardly much difference between 1700x or 2700x.
Since you are not planning on maxing out on overclocking, for a moderate overclock take the B350 motherboard. The X- motherboards are more for feature rich for solid overclocking performance hence not worth the extra buck.
You might prefer the Samsung 860 Evo SSD for the black theme. The MX500 is just as good and performs exactly the same and a few dollars cheaper. Any difference on paper is unnoticeable. If you want to swap it, no problem!
Added a seasonic PSU. Top of the line stuff!
75hz display added, the ASUS display is an absolute beast and offers slightly better constrast or colour depth.
Overclocking doesn't do much for gaming performance hence not worth the extra spend. To push out 5-10fps you would have to push that overclock to high-max potential, something you need to avoid if room temps are averaging around 30 °C already. Heat from your RIG will add to those ambient temps. Personally I would just pick up the i5-8400 non-OC chip paired with cheaper non-OC motherboard and save the extra buck. I currently have my 7700K clocked at 5.0Ghz - its like a radiator serving nicely in the winter but for summer those temps can be discomforting so I have to leave the window open and I live in the UK lol.
Samsung 850 evo is the older model, take Samsung 860 evo for 4 euros more.
You don't need platinum efficiency on the PSU. Gold certified for your build is more than sufficient for those power efficiency ratings. Also 650W will be more than enough.
Windows OEM is a non-transferable license is binded with the motherboard. You might want to get a fully-transferable one for future purposes hence get a retail version.
1440p RES runs better on 27" displays for a nice pixel/size ratio image spread. Basically things will appear more naturally on the screen whereas the 24" display will squeeze those pixels in a little tighter, making text and icons appear smaller.
For your temp concerns I would buy a case without the multitude of drive-bay mounts on the front which are airflow obtrusive. You want to have maximum airflow intake from the front. It's not a huge issue considering your going with watercooling for both the GPU and CPU but it will improve the temps whether fractionally or not. Positive pressure, meaning more volumes of air pressed into the case also means additional cooler air pushing against the radiators - hence cooler thermals!
Lets me know your thoughts about the above and if you want I can amend the list for you.
That makes sense :)
Just a couple of things:
Are you planning on overclocking?
Do you already have a power supply unit (PSU) or planning on adding one to the list?
The Bitfenix case led lighting is ASUS Aura compatible, if that's of interest, pick up an ASUS board. For the case itself, there are better options with more free-flowing airflow at the same price, but then again slightly warmer temps for a non-OC build isn't a huge issue considering the case does look pretty cool! If you plan on Overclocking I would focus on better airflow opposed to design/aesthetics.
Pay around $8 more and go for the M008 seagate HD. Much more reliable, better build quality and less audible. Toshiba works great when it works - but shortfalls are known to be more common compared to Seagate/Western Digital.
75hz display for $40 more, possible? 60 to 75 fps is noticeable, 75 being much more smoother! https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7TrcCJ/asus-pb277q-270-75hz-monitor-pb277q
Nice to see a £ sign...fellow citizen lol
OK - THE SERIOUS STUFF:
Drop the RYZEN and take the i3-8100. For £12 more you get 15-20% more performance which is a sizeable boost for gaming and photoshop. Previous generation i3 CPUs hosted 2 cores hence wasn't always the best choice for 4-core optimised gaming. The newer 8th Gen i3-8100 hosts 4-cores which is the new i3 standard. The stock clock speeds on these single cores are much better and the i3 runs more effectively (faster) on quad-core complexes compared to Ryzen. Honestly, some time back the i3 was a little over-priced hence Ryzen drove in the better alternative per value but now with 12 quid setting them apart, intel is clearly the best option! In terms of performance, lets just say the i3-8100 performs as good as last years i5 CPUs hence its GOLDEN!
If you want to stick with Ryzen (anyway):
Get faster RAM sticks. AMD recommends 3000Mhz-3200Mhz, lower frequencies means lower CPU performance with the Ryzen. With intel 2400Mhz is more than sufficient.
If the budget allows, add SSD (preferably 250GB) to run the operating system and applications - Windows boot times will be super super fast and with much faster read/write sequential speeds.
Is 600 quid your absolute max budget?
Samsung 860 Evo is cheaper and the latest addition in its series. Although I would recommend MX500 from Crucial, its $10 cheaper and matches the 860's performance.
If gaming only, take Ryzen 5 1600 and get the GTX 1080 to pair with your 1440p display. If the budget is flexible, maybe consider getting the 1440p with higher refresh rates. 2K is a demanding resolution and the GTX 1080 is perfect sweet spot for demanding and up and coming games (assuming you want to benefit with higher fps)
Let me know what your full purpose of use is (or intended use in future) - i'd like to see if we can improve the overall performance per requirement.
You will most likely want to check whether "docker" is better optimised for Ryzen/intel. Some applications or the desired tools used within those applications will run better with either of the latest offerings from intel/amd: i7-8700K or the R7 2700X. Possibly check the applications recommended Build requirements or query with like-minded devs who are using the same tools.
Single kit of RAM is highly recommended to avoid compatibility and consistency issues. So maybe go for a 4 x 8GB single kit. Dual memory controller boards run better with 2 sticks, adding additional performance and more efficiency with memory mapping. I would take a single kit of 2 x 16GB ram.
H500 looks great - but Im a little wary of the small venting on the side for better airflow. The S340 Elite offers better airflow channels though I admit your choice of case is exquisite.....love the boxed slick look! You might want to check user reviews.
Even if you add 1080 TI card at some point, 850w PSU wattage is an overkill. 650W is more than sufficient although I fancy a little overkill - take 750W.
Ryzen 5 2400g integrated graphics are more superior - comes included with a good performing stock cooler! Looks great too!
Changed to 2 sticks with 3000Mhz (performs better with 2 sticks and Ryzen runs better with high RAM frequency)
Added additional storage 1TB HD. Save operating system and applications on SSD and all games and other data on HD for better performance.
Other amendments are self-explanatory and optional though I would stick with the PSU!
If you are overclocking your CPU, stick the X61 on the CPU and the M22 on the GPU.
If the CPU is not overclocked you have the alternative options of adding the X61 to the GPU and M22 on the CPU.
You can try both orientations and test your system. If the single RAD on a non-OCd CPU pulls in decent thermals at max load I too would prefer this option for maxing out on GPU performance.
Threadripper and 64 GIGS of RAM for gaming and streaming?
Even at professional grade encoding with 4K, both intels 8th Gen and Ryzens 2nd GEN multi-core supplements boasting 6/8-cores (12/16 thread count) have you covered nicely for gaming and high-quality streams. For streaming - Ryzen more-so. 32 GIGS of memory also being sufficient for high-end streaming with ample headroom for accommodating the above mentioned multi-tasking tasks (and much more).
Now I have to admit I don't stream so i can't speak from experience but would appreciate if you could share your specific reasoning for these parts (CPU + RAM)? Are you using any particular heavy-duty-quality enriched streaming presets/tools/applications which recommend the Threadripper or 64GB memory? Also from experience, with past gaming+streaming loads, what was your memory usage and what CPU was used?
R72700x performs better for gaming on its single/quad core punch line opposed to 1950X, which is more HEDT-workstation class for intensive content creation or 4K rendering/encoding/3D modelling/software dev/etc.. I can't see streaming fitting that bill anytime soon. Another issue with 1950x (intel facing similar issues) is gaming hick-ups with wide-approached CPU complexes which are known to have caused latency issues, regression and games crashing (some games wouldn't even load). Both AMD and Intel fixes adopted methods giving the end user custom options with the likes of "game mode" which ultimately drops the threading count to half. $800 chip which ultimately offers half the threads for gaming consistency is definitely not worth the shortfalls in performance. Ryzens 2nd Gen multi-thread architecture (2700x) better adopted CPU complexes similarly to the quad core succession in the past and topped it off with additional cores to give intel a run for its money. In return, gaming performance, with eliminated latency drawbacks, and several more cores and higher thread counts is just a work-station in itself and pretty much would shred streaming to pieces.
:) looks great!!
btw - nice build!! great parts for the price. Your list says $334 for the GPU (newegg) and walmart has it going for $299
To offer a better option for the CPU, you will need to list the purpose of use. If it's gaming only, no doubt intel will do a better job but if you're streaming/editing/rendering, stick with Ryzen as multi-core threading is better and offers the better investment for future-proofing.
Also I would spend more on the CPU and less on the motherboard, unless compatibility begs otherwise.
6GB VRAM has no impact on gaming performance in terms of speed or FPS. What it does do is offer better detailed graphics. For 1080p it's not a huge amount of difference but performs better than the 1050 TI. Higher resolutions demand more image quality hence VRAM plays a significant role for resolutions which stretch beyond 1080p. Thats not to say you won't benefit from the 6GB as some games will offer better textures/composites or more defined pixel depth for a more visual rich experience.
That's VRAM in a nutshell. Whereas both GPU's compared, the GTX 1060 6GB is the better card and outperforms both the 1050TI and 1060 3GB. Not because of the higher VRAM but for more power with added cuda cores hence more FPS processing power. Often some consider both cards to be the same, one having double the VRAM. Actually these are completely different cards having the same series 1000 code.
Bottom line: If you're budget flexible I would choose the GTX 1060 6GB and pair it up with a 1080p 75hz display (or 144hz depending on price and affordability)
If you want a price comparative list with the above upgrades, I would be happy to provide an alternative list
Cool, here's what I would recommend:
CPU and MOBO+AC WIFI choice is GREAT for a gaming build (unchanged)
Though the i3 stock cooler is sufficient, for cooler temps the M9i not only looks good, performs much better with a very nice quiet static pressure fan.
For $5 only, bumped RAM up to 3000Mhz. Optional: 16GB sticks will offer nicer performance and great for future-proofing too. If this is something you want to add within the $1500 budget I would definitely recommend! Although for gaming alone, its not a biggie.
SSD amended to 250GB. Larger SSDs with more NAND chips just perform better and far more efficiently. 120GB is very small and long term performance will be affected. You can save the operating system and applications on the SSD and all games and other data on the HD for best performance. The added MX500 from Crucial is one of the fastest performing SSDs in its tier hence worth the extra spend. Alternatively if you prefer the 120GB only for the OS alone, go with Adatas SU800 (though not the prettiest external design but certainly the best performing in it's capacity range)
30 dollars more for the GTX 1060 3GB is an absolute steal. Prices have come down considerably and continue to decline. Plus the card is super-clocked to 1.61Ghz and will push that added performance on top. This card will easily handle 60-90fps even for some of the latest demanding games whereas the 1050 TI will struggle.
Changed PSU to a semi modular Seasonic gold certified unit. Better quality!
Love the display choice. Though its a 60hz, you could do slightly better at 75hz. The 1060 3GB is very capable of scoring higher frames per second hence maybe you might prefer the 75hz display to allow the frames to squeeze through. Option 1: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sh38TW/aoc-g2460vq6-240-60hz-monitor-g2460vq6 OPTION 2 WITH IPS: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dnbkcf/lg-24mp59g-p-238-1920x1080-75hz-monitor-24mp59g-p
If you are planning on streaming too (or in future), the Ryzen will be the better option
Feel free to ask any questions!
There's 2 types of water cooling.
AIO - all in one closed loops which are basically taken out of the box and mounted onto the case. With current standards these are very safe and reliable and work very well. Air cooling works just as good and the AIOs tend be more expensive.
Custom liquid cooling - This is where things get tricky. Preferred aesthetics can cost a BOMB but ready-made affordable kits are available to assemble yourself. Ideally, these better suit hardcore overclockers but I totally get it if you want to enthusiastically look into. The options are vast, fitting types, liquid colours, fittings, tube-types, pumps, reservoirs, etc etc etc. Once you understand the basic elements and you are familiar with basic DIY yes it's easy to put one together but does burden a small amount of risk should anything go wrong. One of the CONS with custom loops is ''periodic Maintenance''.
For $20 or $30 you can add the GTX 1060 3GB card. Far more superior than the 1050 TI and pretty much secures you @ 1080p 60fps even playing demanding titles
the i3-8100 does come with a decent stock cooler for those stock clocks - though it's as ugly as intels lack of imagination when it comes to stock coolers lol. You could pick up a decent one for $20 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LPVBD3/cryorig-cpu-cooler-m9i
If it's gaming only the i3-8100 quad core is a great choice from coffee lakes 8th Gen offering. As good as last years Kaby Lake i5's.
If the budget allows, I would get a better SSD (possibly 250gb for better overall performance longevity) and swap those RAM sticks for something slightly faster. Though for gaming 2400Mhz is more than enough!
Whats your Max budget?
For the budget those selected parts seem to be well-researched with a few improvements to add. That's the whole point of this thread - to offer those alternatives.
Get faster RAM sticks. Ryzen CPU performance benefits with 3000Mhz (though your board is listed 2933Mhz, memory is backwards compatible) or 3200Mhz max.
Samsung 850 is the previous model, 860 is current and cheaper. MX500 performs just as good as Samsung and $10 cheaper
ASUS GPU is clocked higher for added performance
Added a more recent PSU (semi-modular)
OPTIONAL: Windows OEM is non-transferable and ties in with the motherboard. If you prefer a transferable license (one you get to keep for life) go for the retail version for $30 more
OPTIONAL: The 250 GB SSD is more than sufficient for the operating system and applications. For games and other data have you considered adding a HD?
Sorry, too small of a budget. If you want real performance for minesweeper you will need that $30 bucks on top.
Definitely try the thermal paste route first. The corsair H55 isn't the best of air cooler variants and corsair offers some very nice upgraded ones too. 90c is way too much which is either attributed to a high OC with a mid-tier AIO or bad thermal compound or loose cooler mounting.
Whilst you are in the process of re-pasting and re-seating the cooler, can you confirm what is your current max clock speed and Vcore? For a more detailed report, if you are running any sensor reporting tools - maybe send a screenshot (preferably after playing game). If you're not running any sensor/performance tools, maybe download HWINFO64.
If I understand your definition of 15% OC correctly, that would be a high performance OC for the Sky Lake chip something that would definitely demand a superior Air cooler or AIO. If you prefer to keep the overclock in place (I would, providing it's fine tuned) any of the following top performing air coolers will do. Judging by your case fan mounting options and airflow obstruction with those drive bays, I would go with an air cooler.
AIR COOLERS (any will do the job beautifully)
be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3
Scythe Mugen 5 Rev.B (personal favourite for value and performance - can't find a priced one on PCPP though)
be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4
So its a RIG you currently own and only plan on upgrading the CPU cooler? (just making sure)
Is it overclocked? If yes, best bet save your money and reduce the OC.
If not OC'd and the fans are nicely bearable, you could try raising the fan curve on the AIO which you currently own to bring those temps down.
Replace the thermal paste for a more superior compound
BTW, 75c is super safe for current demanding games. Is there any particular reason why you want to remain under 70c?
price doesnt matter as long as temps stay low at max load
price doesnt matter as long as temps stay low at max load
Both top end air coolers and AIOs pretty much deliver the same. Whats your preference? Liquid cooled or a juicy big heatsink air cooler?
Definitely go with Ryzen. The benefits are not only faster rendering times but a much better investment for future-proofing for gaming, cross-platform encoding/rendering, etc. With 6 cores being the current consumer standard (i5, i7, R5, R7+2C), multi-core media savvy rendering applications, demanding games and richer content with DX12 will inevitably be better optimised to make use of the added core/thread count hence its the perfect match.
I totally agree with you, the Mark 1 aesthetics and additional features are very appealing and even last GEN mobos are running PCI 3.0 x16 (16 GIB/s) lanes which are simply faster with broader data bandwidths. AMDs been a little slow in this department, especially for consumer grade chips in the Ryzen line up where the threadripper makes up the difference but at a considerable cost (that too on vendor amendments). If you can wait a little longer the Z490 motherboard, expected to release very soon, will host additional PCIE lanes and fingers crossed 3.0 to overcome the CONS of weaker data downstream connectivity - hence more power to support M.2 NVME drives, USB 3.1 controllers and allowing more data transfer through the gigaports.
Basically in other words (absent of aesthetics) the 2700X paired with a Z490 board willl give you the best of both worlds. I haven't recently checked their expected release dates so if interested, give it a google! Otherwise, if faster PCIE bandwidth is not an issue (NVME SSDs, large gigabit data transfers or pcie-shared 3.1 USB controllers) the X370/X470 will work very nicely!
Wait a sec, how much is option 2 being offered for?
Stick with the non-OC i5-8400. For a gaming only rig its more than enough!
The intel CPU cooler which comes with the CPU works quite well but its as ugly as intels lack of enthusiasm for better aesthetics. M9i is optional, looks great, better thermals and for a stock CPU - it's all you need.
The newer Z370 mobos are for overclockers. The newer B360 is a non-OC board with everything you need. BTW, your initial choice did not have integrated AC wifi. If that's something you want, there are B360 wifi options available.
RAM: Dont worry about RAM speed, 3000Mhz is cheaper than 2666Mhz and its backwards compatible + lower latency timings = faster performance (though it's unnoticeable)
Samsung 850 is the previous model, Samsungs 860 is cheaper and newer and performs the same. MX500 matches samsungs performance and $10 cheaper. If you prefer the black theme, take the Samsung 860
For $30 more, upgraded to 1070 TI - worth every cent! Pretty much guarantees 120-144fps in current demanding games. Ideally, 80-100fps is more than enough and noticeably very smooth hence the additional power to unleash on future game releases is nicely future-proof.
Display changed to 144hz. If you're buying a solid FPS performance GPU, you want higher refresh rates on your display to make use of those rendered GPU frames. 144hz = 144fps max whereas 75hz would have you on lockdown to 75fps. Also if you want GSYNC the alternative option: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R998TW/aoc-monitor-g2460pg
Just a side note: Windows OEM is non-transferable and will be bound to your motherboard. The retail version costs 20-30 dollars more and fully transferable.
Whats the build for?
This probably applies to you as well....so I'm going copy and paste a previous post which was intended for another user:
Honestly I would prefer Root_Users Ryzen alternative for gaming + recording/rendering/editing/etc (though you have reverted back to intel). If the gaming small single core gains on the intel makes things a little tricky for decision making, go for the Ryzen 2600X. This chip matches intels single core speeds and with 6 additional threads over the intel, it outperforms 30-40% faster on rendering times. Another key benefit is 'future-proofing'! Something not to be taken lightly as games are expected to be better optimised to utilise additional cores in the near future and DX12 which offers much better gaming quality and richer imagery is already underway to utilise 6-cores as the current DX12 4-core standard is too strenuous and in-game performance unfriendly. Ryzens 6 cores are much faster thanks to 12 thread multi-core threading so definitely the better choice for the long run.
The other argument is ''consumer real-time based". For gaming it's not a big deal, either camp will have you covered nicely. But for your multi-core rendering/editing purposes, not all applications are optimised to make use of the current advances in Ryzens multi-threading offerings. For example if you use most Adobe applications, the intel chips continue to outperform the competition as these encoders/rendering presets firmly rely on quad-core faster chips for best rendering results. Hence, paying a little more for something like the Ryzen 2600X will suffice as those quad-core speeds match intel hence you get the best of both worlds (current real-time performance + future better optimisation threaded support for much faster rendering).
Third conclusive argument: Will the Ryzen 5 2600 suffice? With your 1070 TI paired up with a 1080p 144hz display, even the GTX 1070 is more than sufficient for high FPS performance to catch 144fps. With the TI, A slightly better CPU means nothing when your getting more than 144fps with top in-game settings. With a solid GPU that is 144fps easy and 90-110fps being more than enough for the human eye, the small mark up on CPU single core offerings doesn't really offer anything special. Therefore, conclusively, the Ryzen 5 2600 is all you really need but nothing wrong with an overkill if you can afford it.
Bottom line: Go Ryzen 5 2600 or 2600X for £40 on top! *
Take it! For that price, its a solid card.
On a more serious note - whats the build for? Please be as specific as possible.
If you want more opinions, here it is: "it depends on your use" lol
Yeah I get what you mean. I just checked. Prices are constantly changing and it looks like there is some listing error comparing the 1070 vs 1070 TI.
Can you show me the link for the £398 one.
For a 1080p 144hz display, I wouldn't pay more than £400 for a GPU. For a 1080P display the GTX 1070, which is under £400 does an amazing job in keeping you above 120fps. Thats all you need UNLESS the 1070 TI is roughly the same price (we all love a slight overkill + future proofing).
The i5-6500 CPU and 1060 3GB GPU outperforms all the other CPU/GPU offerings by a clear mile!!
Pair this up with a decent 1080p display and possibly if the budget allows, an SSD (much faster then HDs) and you've got yourself a serious gaming rig. The rig is very capable of playing demanding games at 60-80fps in top in-game settings.
EDIT: SSD option won't improve gaming performance, but overall performance for faster boot loads and read/write speeds.
Sure you can - anytime!
Great! GPU prices are dropping slowly which may guarantee your RAM upgrade. Just make sure to buy 2 sticks 8GB each to make 16 from a single kit for best performance and memory mapping efficiency.
You've selected the older (previous Generation) CPU and motherboard. The 8th GEN IS 6-core opposed to 4-core, performs faster, more features and cheaper.
motherboard and CPU revised (for a non-overclocker. If you plan on overclocking please confirm).
CPU cooler is OPTIONAL as the stock i5 for non-OC chips works well enough. An expensive AIO is a waste of money if you ask me unless you're overclocking. If you want something fancy looking go for a nice air cooler: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/LPVBD3/cryorig-cpu-cooler-m9i
Faster performing SSD -amended. There are other better build and even more faster options if you can extend the budget: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/n4PKHx/crucial-mx500-250gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ct250mx500ssd4. This ones new and SATA-based. Just plugs onto the motherboard without cables.
Better quality and more reliable PSU added
BTW - SOLID GPU CHOICE! It's superclocked too!