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The Apogee

by LeMMingSlayeR

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54 Comments

Details

Date Published

March 9, 2017

Date Built

March 9, 2017

CPU Clock Rate

3.8GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

35.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

72.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.26GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

7.01GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

40.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

66.0° C

Description

This is my upgraded personal computer. I upgraded from an FX8350 to the Ryzen 7 1700. Note that this is an upgrade and not a complete new build. Anything with a $0.00 price was carried over from my previous build, which can be seen here. https://pcpartpicker.com/user/LeMMingSlayeR/builds/#view=8KjcCJ

THE APOGEE. In reference to how I feel about this iteration of my gaming PC after nearly 10 years of custom built computers. Pentium 4, Athlon 64, Athlon 64X2, Phenom II x4, Piledriver FX, and now Ryzen. I have been through a lot of upgrades and new builds over the years, and something usually carries over. This time is no different.

I purchased the 1700 on launch day, and the motherboard a day later. The RAM I bought a week before launch because it was on sale and I knew that one way or another I was moving to a platform that would support DDR4.

I finally received the last of the parts today via FedEx, and after work I went out to the garage and started tearing down my baby. Within 2 hours I had her back together and was installing a fresh Windows 10. I am writing this an hour later while the last of the updates run in the background, and after all the updates I will try out a few games.

Let me say that I have done quite a bit of research before buying these parts, and I believe that I made the right choice. A lot of people are comparing this CPU to the 7700k (for gaming) and if you look at the raw numbers, the 7700k seems like a no brainer for 1080p gaming. But I'm not buying this CPU for it's current gaming performance, I'm buying it for it's gaming performance for the next 5 years. And I think that within the next year or two, this CPU will outperform the 7700k in new games handily. With the current console generation (and even the next one) being powered by AMD 8 core CPUs, I think game developers will start optimizing games to use more than 4 threads on PC very soon. Battlefield 1 is a very good example, as well as DOOM in Vulkan. The 7700k is the result of years years of fine tuning by Intel on their "core" architecture, whereas the Ryzen 7 series is a brand new architecture. I'm taking a gamble, but I'm confident I will be happy with this CPU for a while to come.

FAST FORWARD 12 HOURS - UPDATES DONE AND HAVE PLAYED A FEW GAMES/BENCHMARKS

SO ON TO THE BUILD ALREADY...

Replaced the core of my gaming computer.

PROs:

Very easily clocked all cores to 3.8ghz on H100i v2 @ 1.30v. Literally took 3 minutes. About 10-15c lower load temps with the H100i vs the stock cooler.

Very fast overall, even in windows is snappier than my FX8350. I have noticed strong differences in gaming.

One of my favorite games is Fallout 4 (well the whole franchise really) but with my old FX8350 I always bogged down when in downtown Boston, with frames dropping as low as 15-20FPS for extended periods. Now I never see any dips below 55, with 99.999% of the game locked at a rock solid 60FPS. And absolutely no stuttering of any kind, this baby is now smooth like butter on toast. This is at 1080p resolution with all settings on Ultra and about 25-30 miscellaneous mods.

The following are all at 1080p as that's my monitors resolution. I also turned off vsync to get a good idea of just how well the games are running.

System performance in various games:

Crysis 3 - all settings maxed - 70FPS

Battlefield 1 Campaign - all settings maxed - 100FPS average.

DOOM - all settings maxed - 130FPS depending on amount of viscera on screen and/or copious amounts of explodeeboom.

The Witcher 3 - all settings maxed excluding Hairworks - 60FPS in Novigrad.

I also saw a huge improvement in Firestrike, during the physics portion instead of seeing the usual 14FPS I was treated with 59FPS average. Firestrike score of 11,158 vs 7.548 with my old FX8350.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/19210736?

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12294139/fs/7984127#

Overall I love how smooth my games play now, I had become so used to the stutters that occasionally plagued my FX8350 that now it really feels like a whole new level of gaming, and I haven't even upgraded my GPU! I honestly never realized just how capable the GTX 970 is when the CPU isn't holding it back. This graphics card is very fast when paired with a modern CPU. It's obvious to me now just how much of a system bottleneck my FX8350 was in the games I play.

Booted the first time, seems pretty stable considering there are still a few BIOS issues. I will say that I installed the most recent build of Windows 10, some people are having trouble installing older versions until the updates kick in.

CONs:

MSI motherboard has a longer-than-average post time. Hopefully a BIOS update will shorten that later but not a big deal, still into Windows in about 30-45 seconds.

At first had problems running DDR4 at any speed over 2400 but since I installed BIOS v1.21 beta I have my memory running at 2666mhz.

Not really any fault of AMD or Corsair, but I will be unable to install my h100i v2 until the AM4 retention bracket comes in. I preordered from Corsair but now am being told they are on back order for a few weeks or more.

VERDICT:

Overall I am really happy with this build, and I know that there are bound to be minor issues when dealing with a brand new platform and chipset. I think anyone currently using any AMD CPU (Athlon, FX, or APU) would benefit tons from upgrading to Ryzen, even if they wait until the R5/R3 lineup comes out.

I had a few issues with the motherboard for the first week or so, but I got a beta BIOS v1.21 from an Admin in the MSI forums and since updating my board nearly all of the issues have gone away aside from the long post time.
I'm sure that will be addressed in the future, and it's such a minor thing I can live with it.

And yes, that is green flower wire holding up the corner of my GTX 970. I didn't have any black fishing line and it developed a bad sag over the last year. Will order some kind of GPU support.

Thank you for reading my hideously long description.

EDIT: 4/8 I received my AM4 retention bracket from Corsair. Installed my H100i GTX and now my idle and load temps are in a much happier place at 3.8ghz. At idle 35c is the norm, and after an hour of Prime95 I was sitting happily at 72c. After an hour of Mass Effect: Andromeda, my max CPU temp recorded was 56c. Much better than the 80c+ stock cooler.

EDIT: 5/10 Replaced the Crucial RAM with a 16GB kit of G.Skill 3200 DDR4. Seems that Ryzen really likes fast memory, and the Crucial kit will be reused in a future build.

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rhali8 2 Builds 4 points 9 months ago

This system is pure awesome. Beautiful aesthetics, high performance parts, very nice. Just a recommendation, I'd overclock that 1700 to ~3.7 - 4.0GHz (depending on how lucky you are) since the stock cooler is actually pretty decent. It gives the chips' single core performance a good bump.

Nice work! +1 :)

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

Sitting at 3.7 on all cores now with boost disabled. I may try to shoot for 3.9/4.0 when the adaptor bracket for my h100i comes in, but we shall see. Definitely a huge difference in gaming from my FX8350. Night. And. Day.

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uberlizard 1 Build 2 points 9 months ago

I see a bunch of Ryzen builds now, I'm guessing that newegg just began delivering orders placed on launch day

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

I got my CPU on Monday but the motherboard didn't come until yesterday. There was, and still is a serious shortage of AM4 motherboards considering just how many people were waiting for Ryzen.

LBManiac 2 points 9 months ago

Nice build, I'm at a point where I can't make my mind up whether to go Ryzen or Intel. Been on an FX8350 for a few years now and recently purchased a GTX1070. I'm leaning towards Ryzen 1700 as I think from what I've seen it does have the future headroom and is not going to give any perceivable difference to games currently. Are you happy with it now or would you recommend waiting until they iron out the issues?

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

I can honestly say that the only problems I have had so far are motherboard related, which hopefully will be updated away soon. There are a number of good motherboards for the AM4 CPUs, some of which I'm sure are more stable than this one. I originally preorded the Asus Prime X370, but an out of stock notice prompted me to get the MSI. I can't say it's a bad motherboard, it has all the features I need and overclocked my r7 effortlessly. However it has two noticeable issues at this time.

First is the long post time, sometimes it's 30 seconds before it hits the MSI screen.

The second is more annoying but also just a little glitch. Occasionaly when turning it on the motherboard will refuse to post and instead give me a message saying "USB port overcurrent - shutting down to protect motherboard". I have been on forums and other people are having this issue so I'm sure MSI will get a BIOS revision within the month. Once it boots into Windows the system is rock-solid stable.

Overall, I'm very happy with my Ryzen upgrade, and once MSI fixes these two glitches I'll be all set.

If you are looking at this particular motherboard, I would say a few weeks' wait might be in order to see if they update the bios, but if it's Ryzen you are on the fence about in general and you want another motherboard, I say to you this:

Come on in, the water's fine.

Colton_42 1 point 5 months ago

I'd just like to follow up, did the long post time go away? Great build, it is just like the one I'm about to do!

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 2 points 5 months ago

It's all but gone. I'm still waiting for AGESA 1.0.0.6 to see the RAM compatibility update, but I'm currently on Official BIOS 1.5 and the post time went down to about 5-10 seconds. That's in line with my old Sabertooth 990FX motherboard which would take about 10 seconds to post.

Also RAM support has really improved up to this point, I'm running 16GB of G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 @ 2933. I hope the 1.0.0.6 update lets me run it at 3200 but we will see.

I did update this build, the new one can be seen here if you're curious. Good luck on your upcoming build! I'm sure you will enjoy it as much as I have mine.

Colton_42 1 point 5 months ago

Thanks! Great build!

Vairfoley 11 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

The motherboard, cooler, and ram combo looks astonishing. Absolutely gorgeous. If I end up upgrading to Ryzen, I'm gonna ditch my 212 EVO for the stock cooler because it just looks so damn good, haha.

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Thank you! I'm having a hard time deciding if I want to leave the stock cooler or put my h100i on it when the bracket arrives. It's the best looking stock cooler I have ever seen IMO.

joshzpants 3 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

ughh this looks so great, take my updoot!

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

Thank you!

I really wanted the Asus Prime X370, but due to a backorder I got this one instead and I have to say I really like the color scheme. I was surprised at how well it complemented my Strix 970.

joshzpants 3 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

It seems like that board had been quite popular with all of the new ryzen builds I've seen. Is crossfire/sli the only thing you miss out on with the b350 chipset?

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

I know this one has less SATA ports (4 total vs 6-8 on the x370 boards) and fewer USB ports, but aside from that I think it's just the ability for SLI. The B350 boards do support crossfire, just not SLI.

I have had GPUs in crossfire before (R9 280 x2 on my 990FX/FX8350) and I honestly had more problems with drivers and AAA game support (Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 had terrible crossfire performance) and I really wasn't happy with the experience. I think I will probably stick to just a single GPU, even if I just have to save up more when it's time to upgrade.

Crossfire or SLI usually give a semi-cheap upgrade route for some extra game performance, but the scaling and support varies so much from game to game that I feel a single more powerful card is usually a smoother and better experience overall.

Aside from that I didn't really notice any differences between the X370 and B350 motherboards other than variations in the audio processors, which vary by manufacturer anyway.

mlach 4 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Filters, filters, filters. This I like to see. +1

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

3 kids.

4 cats.

carpet floors.

Yeah the dust filters were a must, and so far the best peripheral investment I think I have ever made to my computer. Great kit, I clean them out every 3 or 4 months and after a year and a half my PC was still looking nearly immaculate inside.

https://www.amazon.com/DEMCiflex-Filter-Corsair-Filters-Black/dp/B00EWSLGRM

mlach 4 Builds 3 points 9 months ago

2 thumbs up to you my friend!

RedRageTNT 3 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Ryzen + overclock? Awesome!

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

Thanks! Very easy to overclock, got 700mhz over stock with just the Wraith cooler and a few clicks in the BIOS. Left the CPU voltage at stock/auto. So much simpler than what I had to go through to get to 4.7ghz on my old FX8350...

shadrack97 2 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Sweet build.. if I didn't just buy an intel 6500 I would have got this chip

+1

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Thank you!

The 6500 is a great CPU for the price. I just feel like in the next couple of years for gaming, having more threads available is really going matter more than IPC and clockspeed. I know people have been saying that since the FX CPUs came out but with the console market being nothing but 8-core AMD setups I think now is the time that game developers are going to really start optimizing these games better to eat up more threads.

shadrack97 2 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

I Wholeheartedly agree..

I love my build, but im so disheartened playing battlefield 1.. The game Batters my CPU, maxing every core to 100%

and the majority of the games I play scale very well above 4 cores. love your build

tomtomj2 8 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Looks great! Take my +1

Manula.Pabasara 1 Build 2 points 9 months ago

Nice and clean looking system man! Good job on cable management! 1+!

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Thank you!

cgarray17 1 Build 2 points 9 months ago

sweet build and case ;) i just put together a air 540 with an 1800x. Can i ask where did you get the filters for the back and other open ports?

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

Thank you, I really like your build also! I have an H100i v2 that I'm currently waiting on the bracket for from Corsair, but after installing the stock wraith cooler and sitting on a cool and stable 3.7ghz overclock (at stock voltage to boot), I am seriously considering keeping that sweet looking AMD cooler. It's just so damn good looking.

As far as the filters, it's a full kit from DEMCiflex. I bought it directly from their site but it's available on Amazon and elsewhere. It has filters for every opening on that case, and with 3 kids, 4 cats, and carpet floors I cannot imagine my computer without them.

http://www.demcifilter.com/p0431/Corsair-Air-540-Dust-Filter-Kit.aspx

cgarray17 1 Build 1 point 9 months ago

sweet thanks a lot I'm ordering them now! I have 2 golden retrievers and am in dusty climates a lot.

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

I have had retrievers and labs in the past and I truly feel your pain when it comes to the shedding...

arosso 2 points 9 months ago

Awesome build! Looking at the wraith cooler and how effective it apparently is, you'd think that AMD might have offered it for the X processors as an option. +1

Question: Were you forced to place the cooler with the AMD logo at the 9 o'clock position, as opposed to the 12 o'clock position? Thanks in advance

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

Thank you!

I think they are going to offer a different version of the Wraith (the Wraith Max I read somewhere) for the x processors, they just haven't released those particular SKUs yet.

I didn't really try to mess with the fan on the cooler to see if it could be reoriented on the heatsink, but I did notice that it looked like it would either have to be in the 9 or 3 o'clock position due to the shape of the heatsink support.

Skylord_Milkyway 2 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Awesome build! Almost identical to mine, sadly my system isn't booting though :( +1

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

That's unfortunate, sorry to hear about it. One of the downsides of being an early adopter of a brand new platform can be with bugs and other problems. Fortunately manufacturers are usually fairly quick to rectify launch problems with frequent BIOS updates. I am still having intermittent booting issues myself, but it's just a bug in the MSI BIOS since when it boots into windows I have absolutely zero issues with system stability. As far as the motherboard issues right now I'm just waiting for a BIOS update, which unfortunately MSI has not released yet. Which motherboard did you get that's not booting for you?

Skylord_Milkyway 2 Builds 1 point 8 months ago

Same Mobo

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 8 months ago

I would definitely return it then and get another. If it doesn't even boot then obviously a BIOS update isn't going to fix your problem. Hope you have better luck with the next one!

Skylord_Milkyway 2 Builds 1 point 8 months ago

Hopefully!

TerryThePCBuilder 1 Build 2 points 6 months ago

Nice system man!

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

Thank you!

aaron.zzy 1 point 9 months ago

can i buy you pc

eopest 8 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

I don't really think that Ryzen's influence in games will be in the area of getting game developers to optimize for more threads in games; it will be that 4K gaming (and 1440p, and VR) will become more widespread and affordable. If you can get excellent streaming performance while gaming with less or no stuttering for less money than an comparable Intel box, more people will build for it and more gaming content will built for it. I have believed for a while now that Intel's greed and lack of innovation was holding us all back, and in this context, Ryzen making it to market, even with whatever hiccups there might be now is good for everyone. Microsoft could use this kind of the competition in the mainstream OS space (Yes, Apple, I'm looking at you); perhaps we wouldn't be seeing the telemetry-based BS and forced upgrades from Win 10 we see now (no it's not that you can disable that crap, it's that it's there at all). Ok, enough of that, back to the build. I like the heat spreaders on the RAM, I like the look of the stock cooler, but I think the interior is a little too dark even with the lighting. Maybe white / light gray cable sleeving to change color with the RGB? Maybe a M.2 drive to go with the slot, eventually? Otherwise, nice build, +1 for the cleanliness of it. Me, I'm waiting a little longer to see what the R5 will look like before I decide on what my FX-8320 / GTX 960 will be.

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 9 months ago

If AMD increases their market share substantially enough in the PC gaming arena you can be sure that developers will spend the extra time to optimize games not just for Intel core architecture but also for Ryzen. They want everyone to buy their games, and "now optimized for YOUR system!" looks great for marketing.

About the light level in the case. I had an NZXT LED strip in the build previously, but it was too much with the Corsair LED fans. I really wanted to be able to see the motherboard ambient lights, which are on the back of the motherboard and glow out. But I am going to order two AF 140 LED fans to put in the top exhaust holes, that should brighen it up a little without drowning out the ambient board light.

tussiez 1 Build 1 point 9 months ago

Make sure the you screw the heatsink in. (It might "blow"!)

BodiXDDD 1 point 9 months ago

What temperatures do unusually get with the stock cooler?

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Using Ryzen Master to monitor clock and temps (HWmonitor and Speccy still aren't reading Ryzen) I have seen idle in the 40s and loads in the mid 60s with the stock cooler @ 3.7ghz. I am running a constant 3.7ghz clock on all cores with boost disabled at stock voltage.

Minerfantasyy 1 point 9 months ago

Would performance be about the same with an Rx 480?

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Nearly identical. The only advantage with the RX480 would be if I got the 8GB one, it would double my current VRAM. However, I had the GTX970 well before the RX480 was even released, and it's not nearly enough of a reason to upgrade. When the RX 5 series cards come out, I may consider upgrading (depending on the price/performance in relation to what I already have).

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-970-vs-AMD-RX-480/2577vs3634

DuRoach 2 Builds 1 point 8 months ago

You werent kidding about your build Shes pretty Dude! Have you been able to get the damned CPU Rgb light off? mine is on from time to time

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 8 months ago

Thank you! I haven't put much thought to the RGB because I am just waiting for my AM4 retention bracket from Corsair then I will put my H100i back on it. Did you plug the RGB wire from the fan onto the motherboard header? Or did you only use the CPU fan wire? I used both and the RGB is always on, it fluctuates between red and white and I kind of like it.

DuRoach 2 Builds 1 point 8 months ago

it got tiresome after so long building it, And trying to read the writing on the board. But i make sure to give it a look see. and im having an issue now not sure if you are. But im trying to go back to 3.7ghz and not all cores are running that way, any idea why?

LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 1 point 8 months ago

Unfortunately no, but I have been reading from other users of this board that the Tomahawk unfortunately seems like the most problem-ridden motherboard out right now for Ryzen. Most of the Asus and Asrock boards have updated all their problems away but it seems that MSI is taking their time releasing a BIOS fix. I am currently running a beta bios (v1.21) and while it is very much more stable than v1.0, it still has a random fail to post issue that is a little annoying. It has only been a month though, and since this is a brand new architecture and platform I am being patient. I know MSI will fix all the issues with this motherboard, it's just a matter of time.

UPDATE: MSI did finally list BIOS 1.1 on their website this weekend (weird because according to MSI the update is released 3/10/17), if you haven't updated your BIOS yet I would definitely do that. It may fix your problems. I will probably wait though, since I am on beta 1.21 already and the system is pretty stable. When a few more revisions become officially available I will probably update mine again.

DuRoach 2 Builds 2 points 8 months ago

Thanks Dude i let you know how it goes!

StubbornStump 1 point 2 months ago

How much would this have costed?

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LeMMingSlayeR submitter 14 Builds 2 points 9 months ago

Thank you!