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Ryzen 1700: Content Creation PC (Almost Completed)

by Jemini

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Details

Date Published

May 13, 2017

Date Built

April 15, 2017

CPU Clock Rate

3.8GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

30.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

63.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.54GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

2GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

29.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

50.0° C

Description

(WIP I'd say 80-90% Complete as I'm waiting to see what happens with Vega)

Hey Everyone, just wanted to share my build and a few thoughts on some of the components and what experiences I came across. By no means am I a pro at this or even do I know everything about PC building but about 4 years ago (at the ripe age of 39...hahaha!) I took an interest mainly because I was a Mac user for many years and it got to a point where I could no longer afford buying the latest Mac every few years just to keep up. Also there was very little room for expandability.

I ended up learning to build a PC by reading a lot on the internet and watching YouTube videos. When I was confident enough I started sourcing out my parts. I ended up building an i7 4770k, Asus Z87 Pro. 16GB DDR3 Kingston Hyper Blu RAM, Radeon 7850 2GB in a Corsair 300R Windowed. It was a succesful build that I was very proud of...because it worked! hahaha! No major issues over the years and really it still has a lot of life in it and is now being used as my sons gaming/workstation computer.

The 8 core Ryzen 1700 peaked my interest from the beginning and I kept a close eye on all the rumors, leaked bench marks and everything else that hyped up Ryzen and just a few weeks ago I finally pulled the trigger. Sure I could've waited for intel to respond but I was very eager to try AMD this time around and it I figured it would be a different experience being an "early adopter" knowing full well of the typical bugs and issues that some with a new CPU release.

My uses vary from content creation programs like Adobe CC suite, Cinema 4D, Blender, Studio One to name a few. I do casually game as well but unfortunately because of my schedule I have limited time to game these days but I try to keep up to date, however a lot of the games I play are a few years old. :)

Now I guess it's worth mentioning that there was no real budget for this PC. All I knew was that I needed enough to get the CPU, Motherboard and RAM and it would cost me a pretty penny! For the same amount 4 years ago I built my i7 4770k. Most of the part came from my old build and I added a few things that are on my current list over time. This time around I wanted a top end motherboard so I figured...what the heck! :)

Apologies in advance for being long winded but I thought I share from a new builders point of view and maybe others that are going through the same experience might find any of this helpful. Also I'm always open to suggestions on how to improve things regarding the build and overclocking.

Anyway, enough rambling and here's a few thoughts I had with this particular build. (Work In Progress)

Part Reviews

CPU

Everything you've heard and watched on the net is true about this CPU. Great price to performance, a worthy processor for content creation, games run smoothly but lacks the ability to overclock well which is understandable for 8 core chip.

Curently Overclock settings CPU/Voltage 3.8Ghz at 1.35v Memory Clock/DRAM 3200Mhz at 1.35v Memory Timings 14-14-14-34 SOC 1.1v PLL 1.8v Idle Temps 30c Load Temps 63c

Max Stable (Still tweaking to seeif I can lower some voltages/settings) CPU/Voltage 3.85Ghz at 1.375-1.40v Memory Clock/DRAM 3200Mhz at 1.375v Memory Timings 14-14-14-34 SOC 1.15v PLL 1.8v Idle Temps 37-41c Load Temps 63c

After a few weeks of testing simple common settings I can run 3.85Ghz completely stable with the Corsair H100i v2 using everyday programs. I have stress tested with Aida 64 for a couple hours at the most and I'm quite confident that it would hold up. The programs I use are not as intense under load and typically in programs like Premier, After Effects and Cinema 4D max load temps are in the low 60c but typically in the mid to high 50c. I'll mention a few other things on overclocking in the review of the Asus Crosshair VI Hero.

On a side note if any of you are subscribed to Adobe CC, download Project Felix, it's a simple 3D program. I've started using this program to stress test the CPU because this program doesn't utilize GPU rendering so it's all CPU. Off all the tests I've done I've found that if I can render a scene using any of the pre made models with some built in lighting scenes my PC is going to be very stable. Just another option to have besides Blender and Cinebench.

As mentioned above I'm currently running at 3.75Ghz with very comfortable temps, even though I think the sweet spot is 3.8Ghz for my chip I'm experimenting with PState overclocking on the CH6 to see if stability continues, so far so good. Considering the boost clock is 3.7Ghz I didn't think it would be difficult to get this clock stable.

Regarding the stock cooler, for light overclock at 3.7-3.8Ghz it can holds it own with slightly higher temps any where from 5-10c and it looks great too. I only switched to the H100i v2 because I had bought one and wanted to see how the temps differed.

CPU Cooler

Got this AIO mainly for aesthetics, I had an H80i v2 from my previous build but it was too bulky for the case and I didn't want to cover up the motherboard too much if installed as an exhaust in the rear, I tried mounting it in the front but I could only use one fan as the radiator is quite bulky. Needless to say I just left it on my i7 4770K for my son to use.

This build was done in a Corsair 460x and it fits at the top quite well however if you have ram that is taller you may want to check your measurements. I could've mounted it at the front of the cast however if I installed it with the hose coming from the top it would've hit my top fans, If I flipped it around the hose would rest on the graphics card and cause some sagging so I opted to mount it on the top.

In terms of temps, compared to the H80i v2, the difference was only a few celsius, maybe 5c difference. Currently I have my 1700 at 3.8Ghz at 1.35 volts and idle temps are 27-31c, load temps I've seen it hit 63c just for a second but usally remains between high 50's to low 60's.

I have not done any extended gaming but load temps are similar usually in the high 50's-low 60's if I'm in a busy area with a lot of textures, lighting, shading etc.

All in all I'm pretty happy with this AIO, looks great, nice and simple, easy to install. I'm not using the USB cable since I don't use corsair link and I quite like leaving the LED white. With that being said depending on the USB connector you have on your board (I'm using a CH6) it's almost impossible to hide the cable and if you route it through the back you might need an extension.

The main fan cable kinda sticks out like s sore thumb but I've managed to fold the cable between the ram and cooler so it's not too noticeable, would be great if the cable would be hidden within the cooler somehow and you just pull the length you need if that makes sense.

Price wise, I think it's hard to beat, you can definitely go with something like a Kraken X62 for RGB but it's more $ and you would need the AM4 bracket. Fortunately I had ordered the corsair AM4 bracket weeks before I got this AIO free from Corsair, took a couple weeks but it was nice of them to offer it free and I didn't even have to show them proof of purchase.

Motherboard

For the motherboard I was deciding on the Crosshair VI Hero or the Asrock Taichi since they were priced similarily. The CH6 was available upon the time of ordering and the Taichi was on back order. Plus I liked the neutral grey mechanical look so I decided to utilize that as my colour scheme. Bland and plain to some but I was looking to build something simple, clean yet pleasing to the eye.

All the reading I did online I was well aware of the early adopters issues that may come about so I was well aware of the things that I've epxerienced up to the present day. One of the main concerns with most people was the ability to boot at certain higher memory speeds especially 3200Mhz and up. Although this was a bit concerning to me I was diligent to seek out the best compatible RAM through reviews and of course the QVL list for the CH6. I went with 16GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 (will be adding another 16GB soon). For more thoughts on the RAM see the review.

So first off I received this board with Bios 902. Upon completing my build I left everything on auto just to see if it'll boot up, run windows and all of my programs. Stock settings were 3Ghz at 2400Mhz and ran everything flawlessly. Of course my main concern was being able to boot and run my computer at 3200Mhz memory clock so I went into Bios and changed only the D.O.C.P settings to D.O.C.P Standard and Bios automatically set my memory profile to 3200Mhz at 14-14-14-34. Everything else as on auto. PC booted and ran with no issues.

Seeing that memory was pretty much stable now I tried my luck and overclocking with hopes to maybe win the lottery and hit 4ghz at a respectable voltage and temperatures. First few attempts were 3.7Ghz to 3.8Ghz with the stock cooler and to keep it short and simple using the settings mentioned above on the 1700 review I was able to get this chip stable but being the stock cooler idle temps were a bit higher and load temps sometimes peaked at low 70c but was mostly in the 60's at real world load usage. 3.7 was a more comfortable and acceptable clock for the stock cooler, let alone it's the coolest looking stock cooler out there! Needless to say my H100i v2 came and I was eager to install it and do more testing.

Next, there were Bios releases from 1002, 1107 and now I'm on beta 1201. The best feature on this board is the Bios Flash on the back via USB, it's the easiest way to update the Bios. I first tried using EZ Update that comes with all the Asus software but this way didn't update bios properly and got stuck during the update. Fortunately I had made a copy of both 902 and 1002 via USB. Make sure to format your USB to Fat32 and save the files as CH6.CAP. Also make sure you are not using an encryted USB otherwise the update will not update properly, it'll flash 3 times and stay lit up. TO know if the update is working the flashing light should continue for a good 3-5min and get faster then eventually the flashing will stop to let you know it's completed. It's always good practice to press the "Clear CMOS" button before performing the update. It's a simple feature but very handy when manually overclocking. Coming from the Asus Z87 Pro I had to always use the little "cap" and manually reset CMOS....pain in the butt! :P

I can say the biggest common issue for me and for many others is the cold boot bug, at one point with 1002 it would reset 2-3 times before being able to boot at the overclock settings and sometimes it would automatically loosen the memory timings in order to boot at 3200Mhz. On the odd occasion it would down clock the memory clock to 2933 or lower. I found most aggressive overclocks would have the cold boot issues even though I thoroughly tested and stressed my PC. It's very possible that I could've tweaked a few settings here and there to really dial it in but it didn't happen often enough to drive me crazy. But at the same time not everyone knows how to dig deeper into the bios and adjust every little detail. I focused on the typical common settings that the average user knows to change. For the most part I had no issues running all my programs, gaming and doing my regular daily uses/

After all was said and done, my most reliable and problem free settings so far have been...

Curently Overclock settings CPU/Voltage 3.75Ghz at 1.25v Memory Clock/DRAM 3200Mhz at 1.35v Memory Timings 14-14-14-34 SOC 1.1v PLL 1.8v Idle Temps 30c Load Temps 53c

Max Stable (Still tweaking to seeif I can lower some voltages/settings) CPU/Voltage 3.85Ghz at 1.375-1.40v Memory Clock/DRAM 3200Mhz at 1.375v Memory Timings 14-14-14-34 SOC 1.15v PLL 1.8v Idle Temps 37-41c Load Temps 63c

I also tried overclocking via PState (only using pstate 0) and I've had success at 3.7-3.8Ghz at 1.25v-1.375 (offset) combined with the Ryzen Power Plan for Windows 10. However cold boot issues were more common but would only reset once. Perhaps my lack of experience plays a role here but I'm learning. Anyone insterested in reading up on it can check out this overclocking guide on overclock.net. http://www.overclock.net/t/1628504/ryzen-7-overclocking-guide

I dont' regret at all buying this board, in general as long as I use a setting I know that is stable I can use my PC with no issues, sit back and enjoy. Over time, hopefully in the near future with upcoming updates there will be more stability issues addressed and maybe help with overclocking better. Are the X370's better than B350's at overclocking? Well I don't know that by experience but after reading and watching many reviews and from my own experiences if you are on a budget and want to save a few bucks definitely look at the B350 boards or even the cheaper X370 options like the Asus Prime.

Memory

Really not much to say but this memory runs as advertised at 3200Mhz. Any of the issues I would say are based on the motherboard used and it's immaturity. My expereinces are in detail in the Asus Crosshair VI Hero review above.

Initially I wanted RGB ram and was looking at the Trident series equivelant but at the time there was only the 3000Mhz version available that was on the QVL list. I could have taken the chance but I didn't want too much headaches :)

My only gripe with this memory is the price, you definitely pay for it and especially now that prices are increasing it'll bruise your wallet just a bit more. However I can attest that this can run 3200Mhz all day as long as you find the right settings with your motherboard of choice. For what it's worth it wasn't that hard, in fact is was pretty much effortless.

Storage

Works like a charm and no issues with the Asus CH6 and Ryzen 1700. Used only as a boot drive and main programs. No complaints, nice and snappy however I haven't quite worked out how to get things to boot faster than 25sec. Any tips?

Video Card

Came from previous build, almost pulled the trigger on a GTX 1070/1080 but decided to wait, and wait and wait and wait (Repeat 100 more times hahaha!) for Vega. I got it for $100 from a friend who upgraded to a GTX 1080, at that price how could I not?

For now, this card holds it's own for 1080p gaming on high to ultra settings getting well over 60fps on average for most games. Considering I don't game or edit in 4K just yet I'm in no rush. the limited 3gb is really not a factor for most games I play and even for rendering, encoding or any other content creation programs that utilize the GPU as long as you have any video card in your PC there is very little difference in terms of performance between cards however the advantage of the higer end cards is mostly for playback and smoothness of scrubbing and previewing. even with this card I can edit in Premiere and After Effects pretty seamlessly.

It's obvious this is the weakest part of my build that's why I mention that my build is almost complete. Whichever is the better price to performace from GTX1070/1080 vs Vega equivelant will be my choice.

Guess I'll have and update soon? Hopefully?

Case

Everything about the aesthetics of this case looks amazing in person. I've always liked mid-tower cases and this one is just slightly smaller that what I had previously in the 300R windowed.

Pros: -Tempered glass on front and side -Includes 3 RGB SP120's (Value) $80cad) -Basement Shroud cover -Sleek look -Pretty much can't add more than what everyone else has said

Cons: -Tight cable management but workable -Consider your cable routing before putting everything together, see Other for more details) -a bit pricey however the included RGB fans make it a good value

Other Thoughts: For anyone looking at getting this case, I would highly recommend it, I orginally was looking at the Phantek Enthoo equivelant but I liked having the front tempered glass as well, I also considered the 570X but I didn't like that the basement shroud left so much space on the right with the side of the shroud being completely open but I'm presuming that case was geared more for those that would install a custom loop.

Anyway, just wanted to point out a few key points regarding the cable management. It's not as bad as some have mentioned however you do have to plan in advance. For my build I'm using a Asus Crosshair Hero VI and like may other boards the HD audio connector is on the bottom left of the board, also there is one fan header connector right beside it that I use for my fans.

There is a very small gap between the mother board and the case that allows the HD Audio cable and my fan cable to pass through barely, however this should be done before installing the power supply and basement shroud is installed. I will post some links to some images to see what I'm talking about, it really is a tight fit especially when you install the basement shroud the cables can be slightly pinched depending on its diameter.

Front view of cable gap http://grooveisnow.com/Comp/460x-gap.jpg

rear view of gap http://grooveisnow.com/Comp/460x-gap-2.jpg

Rear view with cables installed http://grooveisnow.com/Comp/460x-gap-3.jpg

Front with PSU installed http://grooveisnow.com/Comp/460x-gap-4.jpg

Front with shroud installed http://grooveisnow.com/Comp/460x-gap-5.jpg

Also I think if you are building in case like this, it makes a huge difference if you use a fully Modular PSU or at least Semi. Sleeved cables will also help as they are more flexible that the typical plastic ones that come with most PSU's. Currently I'm using a EVGA 650w GS and both the power supply 24pin cable and 8 pin cable is just a tad short, there isn't much slack to cable manage those 2 cables. I don't have a picture but instead of routing it neatly following a path, the 8 pin cable has to come across the back on an angle. (I'll post some pics later). Not a huge deal but kind of a drag if you are finnicky about cable management. I plan on getting some custom sleeves anyway so this will work for now.

Anyway, I hope the pics help you to be more aware of the slight limitation, there is a workaround but again do it before installing the PSU!

Power Supply

Great PSU and priced very well at the time of purchase a few months ago as it was on sale for $105cad. 80+ gold fully modular and all black cables with the 24pin power cable being sleeved. I will point out that the 24pin and 8+4pin power cables are a bit short for my Corsair 460x, there is very little slack which i prefer to have to making cable management easier, however I do plan on getting custom sleeved extension cables eventually so I'm not too concerned about it. However if you are building in a full tower with this PSU then be weary of the short length, then again chances are you will be going for the 750w version.

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Cloud887 2 points 17 months ago

Close to the build I working on! Keep it up, looks amazing!

Jemini submitter 1 Build 2 points 17 months ago

Thank you! Looking forward to seeing yours.

AdamTheMan26 2 Builds 2 points 17 months ago

Wow a write-up worthy of your impressive build! It turned out beautifully. I really love this case and would love to build in it. If I had a PC in this case I think I would probably just stare at it for long periods of time. Enjoy your system and thanks for sharing.

Jemini submitter 1 Build 2 points 17 months ago

Appreciate the kind words it was definitely and enjoyable build however I wish I took more pics earlier on as the build progressed. Again I was kinda long winded but my hopes was make people aware of certain things I went through.

It is a beautiful case and yes, I do find myself just staring at it at times :) hahaha!

JuiceKingsRevenge 1 point 17 months ago

SO LONG

Jemini submitter 1 Build 1 point 17 months ago

yes it is, I'll cut it down so it's more easily readable. Sorry, I did apologize for being long winded :)

BodiXDDD 1 Build 1 point 16 months ago

voltage of cpu

cloutstryf 1 point 12 months ago

are both monitors essentially the same?

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Jemini submitter 1 Build 1 point 17 months ago

Thank you! I'm still updating all the details, it's quite a bit of work to do reviews for all your components :)

I used mainly Lightroom, I was too lazy to "set up" the shots better and use better lighting so I used the RGB lighting as best I could and tweaked them in Lightroom.

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Jemini submitter 1 Build 1 point 17 months ago

LMAO!!! That's the funniest sh!t I've heard all day, thanks for the laugh, I needed that. You might be right as I see my beard is growing grey hairs now! hahahaha!

Honestly, I'm ready to go GTX1080 but I Think I can hold out another month to see if anything is announced at Computex. I just don't want to spend all that $ wondering if I can get an equivelant Vega card for similar performance and slightly better price?

But yeah, feels like we've all been waiting forever. I have no problem going Nvidia, just whatever is best at the price point.

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Jemini submitter 1 Build 1 point 17 months ago

Yes exactly let alone it being expenssive to produce. It's possible that they might have shot themselves in the foot OR they have found a way to make it readily availble for a decent price but it may follow the same pattern as the higher end X370 motherboards being on back order.

Do you think they learned their lesson with the Ryzen release and all the motherboard, bios, ram issues. Is it possible they are just "perfecting" the product so that it is truly ready for the market?

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Jemini submitter 1 Build 1 point 17 months ago

That does make sense since the Ti was kind of a surprise for a lot of us. Radeon folks probably didn't see it coming.

In any case, it truly is very interesting and proving to be an interesting year for CPU and GPU market.