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Wicked Prodigy

by falconsndawgs



Date Published

May 1, 2014

Date Built

May 15, 2014

CPU Clock Rate

4.2 GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

32.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

84.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.04 GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

5 GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

38.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

74.0° C


Prodigy ITX build for gaming. Going into this I wasn't sure I could get a mid - high range gaming pc out of an ITX. After weeks of researching other builds I went for it. Went with i7 4770k over i5 4670k because of great price at Microcenter. MSI z87i Mobo because of specs and price compared to ASUS and couldn't be happier with choice. H90 with a push pull set up NXZT x40 fans... more CFM than corsairs, which fits...barely and out performs H80i push pull, H100i and H110 standard setup. But with wanting a ROM drive I didn't have the option of the 100 series. HyperX Fury 16gb 1866. Went with the theme of everything and Kingston as always done me well. MSI N760 4GB... overclocked on dual monitors will outperform 770 for $100 less. EVGA 750B gave me some trouble, had to notch out the cable hole, the cables were to bulky to fit between the compartment wall and power supply. But that was a few minute fix.

Still waiting on 230mm front fan to come in and 4 pin molex to 5x4 pin fan cable to come in so I can wire all the case fans in. Running on 1 x40 fan and H90 cpu idle temp is at 32 - 34°, I expect that to drop to 28 - 30° with the other fan pushing and 230mm bringing cooler air in. I'll update load temps and OC temps and specs once everything is complete.

Update 4-30: dual 120mm x 12mm came today. They won't fit in the case due to the water cooler and ROM drive. So I top mounted them on the outside and cut out the dust filter to fit around them. Came out very flush looking. Will probably order dust filters and grates to keep dust out. Pic posted of overclocked N760: 1280mhz @ 4GB of graphic memory. Core temp climbed to 50° idle. Will probably be looking at water cooled system if I plain on OCing.

Update 5-1: 230mm came today. Waste of money doesn't have **** of a cfm like it says. The 120mm x 12mm pull more air than the 230mm. But on the other hand it did come with a molex to 4 pin fan connector so I hooked it to my other radiator fan. Saw a instant 2° drop in my cpu temp (30°). Was hoping for 28°-29°, but maybe once I get the other cable... tomorrow maybe? and can run all fans at once.

On another note I've decided for a GTX780 or 780ti, hoping to get a ti for around $550-600. The money I would have to put in to be able to get the 760 to perform like I want isn't worth it. So I'm selling the 760 if anyone is interested.

Update 5-3: Finally received my molex to fan cable and was able to finally get all the fans running together and tuned. Also cleaned up cable management a lot with some zip ties. Running a basic overclock at 4.0ghz and getting an idle temp of 28° (better than what I planned). After some research I came to comparing the GTX780ti and R9 290x, which has me now leaning towards the 290x due to the difference in price (performance has its pros and cons to each card, but the 290x seems to be better for gaming.) I will be likely ordering that come Monday and will update pictures around that.

Update 5-5: Been working on OC with the i7. Got a stable very high load test @ 4.2ghz 1.265v 84°. Was able to push it to 4.3ghz 1.290v but was hitting 90° which didn't make me comfortable with keeping it there. Right now I'm back to stock but will probably look at OC back to 4.2ghz once I fine tune everything and get the temp down a few degrees.

Also sold the GTX760 and have a R9 290x on order. Once this comes in I will hopefully be set and complete on this build.

Update 5-8: So while I'm waiting for the R9 290x to come in I've been doing some research on cooling it beyond what the non reference coolers bring to the table. Came across the Kraken G10, which is perfect solution for cooling the heat issue around the 290x not to mention it being crammed into a ITX case. Looking into the G10 it seems it will be slightly to large for the area I have available so I will be looking at modifying it, cutting the excess metal off and going with a thinner 92mm fan. Also with the addition of heatsinks for the VRAM. I will taking a trip to Microcenter here next week to pick up parts and will update with pictures.

Update 5-15: Completed build. Got the R9 290x in and installed... this thing is a power house. MSI Twin Frozer R9 290x is great, no overheating issues, even crammed into a mitx case. Added 2 dust filters to the top intake fans, still nice and flush. Added a 12" red led strip... was against this but it really came out nice, not over bearing... just a light red glow.

Final cost of everything into this build: $2500.00 roughly... lost count :)

Will flow up with final pics of case in a couple days. Thanks for all the feedback and input from everyone.

Final Update: Unique Heaven Benchmark Score: 2206 FPS 87.6 (Min 32.8 Max 150.8) on Ultra 2x AA 1900x1080. Previously had all my fans running full speed, just to ensure no overheating during load and benchmark test, have since turned them back to system control and the noise is greatly reduced... still not silent, but no longer a jet liner taking off.

So this is it for this build. Was looking at building a mid-high end gaming pc in a ITX form and I believe I have accomplished that. I'm looking at starting my next build come fall - Full ATX tower with custom loop and Quad SLI / Crossfire setup ( this is if the wife doesn't kill me :) )

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jacobs4525 1 Build 15 points 56 months ago

a 760 will outperform a 770? I doubt it. Also, why the 4770k? You could've gone with a 4670k, and spend the extra on buying a GTX 770 or 780.

Akut 1 Build -1 points 56 months ago

No 760 will outperform a 770 under any OC, at least under any conventional OC.

jacobs4525 1 Build 4 points 56 months ago

obviously the OP should've done his homework. The 770 has 1536 shaders at 1.1GHz (can easily be OCed to around 1.3GHz). The 760 has 1154 shaders at 1.0 GHz, and can be OCed to about the same as the 770. a 200-300MHz difference won't make up for the lack of almost 400 shaders.

falconsndawgs submitter 2 Builds 0 points 56 months ago

I did do my homework. There is a link posted below of guys OCing a 760 and benchmarking it against others. In perspective you are looking at 5fps difference in a 760 OC and a 770 in comparable graphic demands. A 4GB 760 will give you that slight boost to get it on par with a 770... for $140 less.

jacobs4525 1 Build 3 points 56 months ago

4GB will not affect performance at all unless you are actually using it, which you definitely aren't. once again, do the actually math. 1536 shaders will always do better unless the clock speed of the 1154 shaders is something absurd like 1.7GHz. And that's not even counting the fact that the 770 can also be overclocked very well. And why spend money on an i7 if it will be totally limited by your graphics card?

StewieMonSta 2 Builds -2 points 56 months ago

Or R9 290

jacobs4525 1 Build 2 points 56 months ago

yup that would be a good idea especially with the prices returning to normal after the mining craze.

jaggysnake57 1 Build 5 points 56 months ago

the i7 is overkill for gaming and lol at 760 outperforming the 770. the 760 is a great 1080p game card but you up that to a dual monitor setup and its gonna struggle. i also would ave stuck to 8gb ram too 8 is enough for pure gameing

DoHbOyBlAzEd 20 Builds 3 points 56 months ago

I think this is a solid build. At $250 for a 4770K, why bother with an i5. While gaming performance between the two is very similiar, that extra $20 is peace of mind. In my opinion, 16GB makes perfect sense in this situation. You are only working with 2x memory slots. Assuming you are going to keep this computer for a while, it was the smart move. If you wanted to upgrade from an 8GB kit, you would literately be scrapping 8GB of ram (Unless you sold it or had another build to use it in).

A GTX 760 with a solid overclock will perform within 5-6% of a GTX 770 in most cases at 1080P. But will not outperform it. It does however put it at a very good price vs peformance ratio, especially at $240. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7103/nvidia-geforce-gtx-760-review/17

That being said, if you plan to play games across two monitors you may desire something with a little more power.

+1 from me.

Deadmanrcn5 1 Build 2 points 56 months ago

This would have been way better.

RazerZ 2 Builds 2 points 56 months ago

Looks good, but the external cables could use a few zip ties ;)

ThatsPoorlyDrawn 3 Builds 2 points 56 months ago

See, the ram, I get...future proof, but if this guy has a decent income, and wanted to wait until the holidays to get a newer, higher performance card to fit that i7, it makes good sense. Put the extra $100 towards an even better card this fall.

Stomish-PCs 1 point 56 months ago

Why didn't you get a 4670k and 770?

pegotico 2 Builds 1 point 56 months ago

what matters with fans that are used with radiators is the static pressure, not the CFM. For the price you bought the i7 I think its ok (overkill but OK).

falconsndawgs submitter 2 Builds 1 point 56 months ago

The NXZT x40 fans have a higher static pressure, rpm, and cfm than consairs. They are louder, but I'm not concerned with fan noise."

pegotico 2 Builds 1 point 56 months ago

yep corsair doesn't make 140mm SP high performance fans but the ones that come with the radiator which only give 1.64 mm/h2o. The sweet spot will be the noctua NF-A14 PWM noctua at 1500 rpm you get 2.08mm/h2o, 140 CFM at only 24.6 dba of noise while the X40 fans at 2000 RPM you get 2.2mm/h2o, 98.3 CFM at the expense of 37 dba. I know many ppl hate noctua color but they are impressive and hard to beat. NOctua performs better at only 1500 rpm vs 2000 rpm.

falconsndawgs submitter 2 Builds 1 point 56 months ago

Yea the prices aren't correct, I paid $249.99 for the i7. The 760 I got for $240.00 and the Mobo for $139.99. As for gaming its going to be mostly mmorpg & rpg's, nothing intense like cyrsis 3 or bf4.

Sprinter460 gets the picture.

Akut 1 Build 1 point 56 months ago

249.99 is a good price for the i7, only ~20 bucks away from the i5 and, to me, justifies the purchase. Future-proofing FTW.

You did not need the faster RAM. 1600Mhz RAM would have been sufficient unless you were doing some heavy-bandwidth stuff, like encoding or rendering.

I HIGHLY recommend you update your prices, If you got the MOBO for 140, say it, as it is right now, it's showing up in CAD for $243. Also the guys overseas will be very confused as well as their prices will be based on their currency.

I'll give the +1 after this is done.

jacobs4525 1 Build 1 point 56 months ago

still at microcenter you could've gotten a 4670k for ~180, which is still a good amount less, and an i7 and a 760 is unjustifiably unbalanced for gaming.

bloodroses75 1 Build 1 point 56 months ago

The build seems fine to me. As others have mentioned, the i7 and 16gb of memory is future proofing and if you can get it at a fair enough price, why not? He may at some point in the future decide to use this for more than just gaming. Virtual machines I know will chew through those resources. With the video card, he's going for best bang for the buck. I have the same mentality; especially with video cards evolving as fast as they are.

jaketredy 1 Build 1 point 56 months ago

Nice fury ram

falconsndawgs submitter 2 Builds -3 points 56 months ago

I built this in mind of future aspects in gaming. Whether or not they will incorporate hyperthreading who knows. I could have saved $70 with the 4670K. Ram is there for future aspect... and I could have gone with a 770 for $100, but I strongly believe OCing the 760 will put you at the specs of a 770. They have the same chips just one runs all 8 cores the other doesn't, but firing those 6 cores at a faster rate with more vram behind it should give it better performance on multi screens. If not, I sell the card and pickup a 770. Just testing the water.

PolishXlion 2 Builds 3 points 56 months ago

Well why don't you OC a 770 to get evenm better performance. I am not sure this build makes a lot of sense but oh well. I like it but there are things I would change.

Trinity596 4 Builds 3 points 56 months ago

the highest that card can be overclocked still is slightly less powerful than a 770. i have the same card but 2gb. professionals have overclocked it but it was just slightly under the 770 in performance.

Im sure someone somewhere has gotten a 760 to outperform a 770 somehow, but it is extremely unlikely

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jaggysnake57 1 Build 2 points 56 months ago

plenty of people read its just OP never stated what price he was getting on the i7 and unless it was the same price as the i5 or close then the i5 still makes sense

as for the 760 like i said for 1080p gaming its a great card but to stretch to the 4gb version is wasted money unless it was a really good deal, as dual monitor performance from the card just aint all that, plus if your not stretching it with heavy games chances are you wont need the extra 2gb

Akut 1 Build 1 point 56 months ago

My #1 complaint. Prices were not manually set to show what he paid for each part. Hard to see where his money went.