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HTPC Space Heater

by System48

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115 Comments

Details

Date Published

May 2, 2017

Date Built

April 29, 2017

CPU Clock Rate

4.2GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

41.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

86.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

1.48GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

11.01GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

46.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

84.0° C

Description

I finally got a 4K TV and a bunch of 4K components to go with it so I decided to build a 4K gaming system also.

Case: I had a hard time settling on a chassis with space constraints in both size and depth to fit my media cabinet. In a perfect world I would have preferred a deeper version of the Lian-Li Q19 that supported full length GPU's. I ended up going back and forth between the Silverstone RVS02/ML08 and the Node 202 until I saw a RVZ02 at my nearby Microcenter and I was not impressed but how cheap it looked, they really need an updated FTZ model.

GPU: The choice of a blower style GPU was another difficult one, I had considered the EVGA 1080 TI's since they stuck to a two slot design in their custom heatsink models but I was still concerned with where that hot air would end up going.

Storage: Lastly was storage, for movies and what not I have a storage server holding everything so that just left games for local storage. The new Xbox I got came with a 2TB drive and seeing how quickly those 50GB installs ate up space I didn't like my options. If this case had supported a taller/enterprise 2.5" drive I would have gotten one of those but with only laptop height drives, 2TB was also the best I could do for this case, and SSDs at 2TB+ sizes aren't a financially reasonable option yet. My decision was further backed up after looking over several benchmarks showing that the only penalty for the spinner would be level load times. Also, even though the drive I selected is already a hybrid SSHD I was intrigued to see how it would perform with an additional caching layer, we'll see how that works out.

Status: Still waiting on the Optane drive to ship but I finished the build for now.

The thermals are what I expected, running Prime95 the CPU will hit the throttle limit but normal gaming temperature are "reasonable". The GPU hits the default thermal limit with Furmark and normal gaming but the intake fans do keep the TDP at nearly 100% vs 80% without them running.

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Pavi 26 points 6 months ago

ONE OF THE CLEANEST BUILDS I'VE SEEN ON THIS SITE

Even the setup looks so clean, good freaking job man!

Pavi Excitingly Approves +1

Pachi 2 Builds 2 points 6 months ago

Hey, you again :D

Pavi 1 point 6 months ago

Yup =D

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Selicos 3 points 6 months ago

202 easily beats the RVZ in looks. So clean. This is basically a perfect build.

mellowz 2 Builds 2 points 6 months ago

Oh man awesome stuff. Wishing my 202 had a 1080ti. Nice finish with the custom cables but I do feel it's money you could of saved. Very clean otherwise 1+

System48 submitter 2 Builds 3 points 6 months ago

I should've commented about that choice, was all about cable lengths for me, the cables the PSU comes with would've have made for a messy install.

NghiV 1 point 5 months ago

Is it alright if you posted the lengths of the cables you got from CableMod?

System48 submitter 2 Builds 2 points 5 months ago

24 Pin ATX - 250 mm 8 Pin EPS - 350 mm 8 Pin PCI-E - 500 mm 6 Pin PCI-E - 500 mm Dual SATA Power - 200 mm and 50 mm to the 2nd

LifesGoodGaming 2 points 6 months ago

Hey, amazing build! A 1080 Ti in it for $2000? Yes please (I'm new to PC building don't hurt me)! Was thinking of cloning this build because I as well just got a 4K TV with no way to actually use it for what it was made for. However, instead of the FE, would an aftermarket card be okay? Is the airflow of the build good enough for it? I would prefer an aftermarket 1080 Ti for a better warranty and I'm a sucker for all things EVGA, so yeah. Thanks a million and hope you enjoy your PC!

System48 submitter 2 Builds 2 points 6 months ago

I'd feel better about an third party card if the side vents by the GPU were larger like they are on the CPU side, see http://www.fractal-design.com/media/10eb1d34-c32c-4aa8-ae6d-9daac728d0a3 . It would be worth trying out but you may want to look at 15mm fans instead of the Noctuas I used, I would get the card first and see what the clearance looks like.

LifesGoodGaming 1 point 6 months ago

Okay, cool! Thanks! I'll look into the 15mm fans.

LifesGoodGaming 1 point 6 months ago

One more thing. I tried putting some of these parts on a list on this site, and it says that the Scythe Big Shuriken 2 isn't compatible with the Fractal Design Node 202. Is that just PCPP being PCPP, or did you do something to make it work? Also, would you mind taking the time to explain what all the other category stuff is like the USB 3.0 header extender would be used for? Once again, thanks!

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

To fit the Scythe you have to remove the fan filter and you end up with about 3-4mm of clearance between the top steel panel and the fan.

The case USB header connector is rather bulky and the cables are fairly thick. This motherboard has the USB header coming straight up, so even if I could have crammed and bent it in there, it would have been a lot of stress on the motherboard connector. I've used the extension cable before in my last build, it's much easier to route around tight spaces and get to spot where you can hook up the case connector. You can see it in the PIC of the two Notcua fans.

I used the PWM splitter just to simplify the fan setup, they'd both be running the same speed anyways, and to keep cables to the motherboard at a minimum.

Lyrix 2 points 6 months ago

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!

This is soooooo clean! and it looks sooooo great! wow! amazing build! 1+!

Zveir 9 Builds 2 points 6 months ago

Awesome build! I love HTPCs. I have one as well though it's not as capable as yours. +1! Adding to my favorites list just for how clean this all is.

cj360 2 points 6 months ago

Nice build! What are you using for feet though? Are they aluminum pieces? They look much nicer than the small rubber pieces that come with the node.

System48 submitter 2 Builds 3 points 6 months ago

Lian Li SD-01B, I drilled out the screw mounts and super glued some magnets since the bottom of the Node 202 has a steel cover, same as the top.

Teddy270us 1 point 6 months ago

One of the cleanest and smooth looking builds I've seen. Very nice job!

I have a... somewhat weird question... and before asking this, I have to say that I'm a total newb regarding building PC's etc. You mentioned that your gaming temps were "reasonable" ... would they be better if you used a AIO cooler like for example the "NZXT Kraken X42 " ? Now I know there's no room for that, I was thinking of installing the radiator on the outside of the case some how. (and yes, it'll look ugly as hell, but right now I'm just wondering whether it's doable and whether it'll help the temp)

many thanks

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

I couldn't do much with where I was putting it but I did think about water cooling. If I were going to do it, I would go with a custom setup. A combo waterblock/pump inside with quick disconnects to the outside and add an external fan connector at the back side of the case. This would make the compactness of the Node 202 kind of pointless though. If you still wanted something smallish you could look at the Lian-Li PC-O5SX, it can take a 2x120mm rad setup, pull the front side drive cage and it will fit a full length GPU.

Teddy270us 1 point 6 months ago

thank you for your response and I absolutely understand and agree with what you said. For your setup, it wouldn't be doable or even nice. Only thing I was wondering was whether such an AIO would help with the temps in general or wouldn't it make a big difference (say more than 7-8 degrees). If it would only make that small difference, then I wouldn't even bother with it, but if it (for example) would drop it something like 15-20 degrees... I might overlook the nasty look when a big lump is attached on the outside of the case :P (purely speaking for myself of course)

System48 submitter 2 Builds 2 points 6 months ago

An AIO should put a good dent in temps, even a tower cooler would be better than what this case can fit. Like I said at the end Prime95 hits the 100C throttle limit so it's more that the heatsink can handle, with an AIO kit there should be no issues keeping it under 80C at stock settings. However you set it up be sure that there is still airflow through the motherboard section of the case since the CPU fan is all it has to move air on that side.

xavifuentes 2 points 6 months ago

Hey! amazing build and exactly what I'm trying atm... One question, do you think something like the MSI's 1080 ti Sea Hawk or Corsair's Hydro GFX GTX 1080 Ti would fit in after removing the GPU support? Could the radiator be placed where you put the 2 noctuas? thanks!!!!

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

No, with a dual slot card there is about 28-30mm of clearance between the card and the case. The only water cooling setup I've seen in this case was with someone using a shorter AMD Fury card and fitting a fan/rad behind it.

Teddy270us 1 point 6 months ago

Again my thanks, this is exactly what I needed to know. much appreciated.

Nitrodasnipa 1 Build 2 points 6 months ago

I'm making a very similar build and after quite a bit of research you can usually cram a 120mm radiator in and it's slightly better then the standard low profile coolers.

Loki29a 1 point 6 months ago

Very nice build. I'm thinking to buil something like this. I guess with ryzen 1600 and 1070 temperatures will be a little bit lower.

Connor_The_Gamer 2 points 6 months ago

there isn't any itx am4 mobs out there that I know of so good luck!

except for the X370GTN from biostar

cajunsloth 7 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

I don't actually know if there are any AM4 ITX boards out there, but I up voted you just for having the one exception, being a Biostar board, grayed out; hilarious.

Connor_The_Gamer 2 points 6 months ago

nobody talks about biostar.

NOBODY
Connor_The_Gamer 2 points 6 months ago

oh and I forgot, here's your big fat +1.

+1

jcarrig 1 point 6 months ago

Lovely build.

Concerning the thermals, have you been able to overclock it at all?

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

No, at stock speed Prime95, max heat, will push temp to 100C.

TheCrimsonGabe 1 point 6 months ago

Have you tried underclocking it? It may defeat the purpose of buying that specific CPU but it should keep it from dying, right? Speaking of CPUs, why did you go with an i7 in the first place? The most you would need for gaming would be an i5-7600k. Do you plan to do content creation with this PC?

legonate416 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

Man, I've always wanted to build in the Node 202. And with these specs...

Insta +1

ksalak 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

What is the APC component on the lower left shelf of your HT system?

RhettRO55 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

Probably a UPS of some type.

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

It's the H15, which they haven't updated since 2008 and you can tell. At least they only have the black version now.

eli_harper13 6 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

This is amazing! Super clean rig and media setup!

Miniitx 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

My node202 system is nothing compared to this :'(. Very nice done. +1

adaverso 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

still searching for your pc in the cabinet pic

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

Right below the center channel.

joelhowell 1 point 6 months ago

You know, I see "spaceheater" but then I don't see an AMD chip so WTH lmao

Wolfemane 5 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

Great build. I love the Node 202. +1

jwnn 1 point 6 months ago

Can't wait for an Am4 mini itx board so i can build an Amd system in this thing!

ImperiousBattlestar 1 point 6 months ago

Nice build, that is a perfect HTPC build. Ver clean set up as well. Definite +1 from me! :)

syg101 3 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

Damn. that's sexy AF

Drokovian 1 point 6 months ago

Dude hook me up with those custom cable mod measurements

System48 submitter 2 Builds 2 points 6 months ago

Here they are, the PCI-E ended up a little long but I was able to hide it. Next time I should wait til I have the GPU.

24 Pin ATX - 250 mm 8 Pin EPS - 350 mm 8 Pin PCI-E - 500 mm 6 Pin PCI-E - 500 mm Dual SATA Power - 200 mm and 50 mm to the 2nd

Drokovian 1 point 6 months ago

How short would you have made the PCI-E one in hind sight?

System48 submitter 2 Builds 2 points 6 months ago

You should be able to get away with 400 mm but 450 mm may be safer.

Drokovian 1 point 6 months ago

so then 400 would be pretty tight, but 450mm would be kind of loose but definitely fit?

Also for that CPU fan filter, is there a way to still put it inside like on top of that CPU cooler? Like this fan filter: https://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Filter-Magnet-Cooling-FF143B/dp/B00ARB5E8U?th=1

Is only 2.6mm tall so would this fit in??

System48 submitter 2 Builds 2 points 6 months ago

Yes on the 450mm. That filter would fit but I'm not sure if the air flow restriction from the fine mesh would be a problem.

Drokovian 1 point 6 months ago

Some company gotta make this build a prebuilt option lmfao, just add in some extra 2.5 inch storage and it's ready to go

HARPERETHAN 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

Love the name. That's what I call mine. I truly think it works just as well!

junit 1 point 6 months ago

I love lamp

Harper0921 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

Very clean! I may consider this case for a future build. Thanks for sharing.

Vicepter 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

Is that an Xbox One I see :O How dare you on this website.

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

I also use an Xbox One controller for the PC.

Yahtadi 1 point 6 months ago

Dat curves on those cables tho

TrikkStar 1 point 6 months ago

Just curious but why include Optane if you're using an M.2 drive? Optane caching only works off of the C: drive, and gives a performance decrease when compared against base SSD speeds.

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

You can link/pair the Optane drive to any disk, I'll use it with the Seagate if it ever ships.

TrikkStar 1 point 6 months ago

So are you using the OCZ as a boot drive in the meantime?

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

Yeah, I use the OCZ for Windows boot, games installed to Seagate.

elai 1 point 6 months ago

bulds $2000 pc

only puts hdd that is not even 7200rpm...

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

It was a hard choice but I was looking at ROI and in this case the benefit of even going for an SSD would have only been faster game load times. The 12mm drive height restriction limited options.

divergent0ne 3 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

+1 for the HTPC 4K Gaming design. What are the temps like in that case?

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

Not great, the high temps posted are what I see in normal gaming. Running stress testing though, with Furmark the GPU hits the default max 84C and throttles and Prime95 will push the CPU to 100C and it throttles.

marcusleach 1 point 6 months ago

Beautiful build - if it hasn't already crossed your mind, you should consider using a HTPC as an NVR as well - pick up a Ubiquiti camera or two and install the free Ubiquiti NVR software (or any camera and Blue Iris) for your home's exterior and have the HTPC email you when motion is detected and instantly upload it to the cloud as well (in case they steal your HTPC). Again, beautiful build.

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

I use Lenovo micro computers for servers and I run Ubiquiti APs, switches, router and cameras.

Matthewgrossman 1 Build 1 point 6 months ago

I'd probably see if you could undervolt it without losing the stock clock so you can improve the temps

cajunsloth 7 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

I have a very similar build as yours, and I have one question: how do you like those fans? I have a 290X in my Node 202, and the GPU goes into core melt down under load (~95C). Recently bought some Scythe Slipstreams, which helped a lot. Now the GPU sits around 70C under load. But they are incredibly loud, almost unbearable without headphones. My main concern with buying full size fans is that they will sit too close the GPU and restrict airflow. I'd greatly appreciate any input on this. Thanks in advance.

System48 submitter 2 Builds 2 points 6 months ago

It's hard to say, I wasn't sure what to expect once I got it all together but I knew what the Scythe fan sounded like at full speed so I went with the Notcua's.

cajunsloth 7 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

Would you say that these Noctua's are noticeably quieter than the Scythe's?

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

At full speed, the Scythe on the heatsink is louder vs the Noctua's but without the heatsink, I'm not sure how they would compare.

cajunsloth 7 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

Awesome, thanks for the reply. The Scythe's prob don't sound much different with or without the heat sink. Are the fans touching the GPU? or do you have a spacer or something in between? or do they not touch at all? Thank again.

System48 submitter 2 Builds 2 points 6 months ago

They wouldn't normally touch at all but with GPU sag over time I did put a little something there to prop it up, see GPU pic.

kckbxrk 1 point 6 months ago

Are the temps on this reasonable? If you have 2 120mm fans below video card with blower style? And the Shuriken like you do? I was considering nearly the EXACT same setup for a build i want to do. Down to placing it into the entertainment stand and all. When not in use, it will be in sleep mode, but when in use i can game up to hours at a time. Will i have issues with the 1080 ti temps and 7700 (non k...not sure if that runs cooler)? Thanks for your insight now that you've had this build

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

Everything is fine running stock speed during normal game play. When testing with Furmark I tried running with and without the fans below the GPU running. Without them running the thermal limit would be reached with the card running at 80% TDP, with the fans running at 1600RPM it could maintain nearly 100% TDP at about 80C.

kckbxrk 1 point 6 months ago

Awesome. During normal gameplay what resolution are you playing at? mostly 4k? And how long are your average gaming sessions? I'm sorry for 21 questions. It's just your set up is near identical to what i want. Down to fitting into a tight space in an entertainment stand. Most of the time it would be in sleep mode or being used for movies/tv/ppv's (gotta love KODI). But during the weekend it wouldn't be unheard of to have a 4-8 hr late night gaming session. I just want to make sure that it wouldn't stress it out running a game at high resolution. Sounds like it should be alright though, especially with 2 120mm fans installed

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

So far I've run it at 4k, playing Fallout 4, I haven't had a long session with it yet, just a couple hours at a time.

kckbxrk 1 point 6 months ago

still. a couple hours playing 4k res and your temps stay in acceptable range during? What's your average gpu temp run? That is the main thing i'm concerned about considering it won't have much breathing space sitting horizontally

kckbxrk 1 point 6 months ago

I'm also considering sitting it at the top of my tv stand so that it gets more fresh air and isn't closed in. My stand has an enclosed back and i'm worried about that a bit

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h3xburn3r 1 point 6 months ago

I'm really impressed with how clean this build turned out and how clean it matches the rest of your Home Theater setup. Very nice work!

madurham84 3 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

By the time I had reached picture 10 I creamed my pants. Thanks.

Tuliptown 1 point 6 months ago

Awesome rig, great detail with the extra cables noted. I see you are using a different brand Cable for sata. Does it fit into the corsair or is it an extension? Did you need the cable to make it work, or was it aesthetics?

Great choices on hardware

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

The SATA power is a Cablemod cable also.

joeyyellow2005 1 point 6 months ago

dang, that case is CLEEEEEAAAAN!

Nexus90 1 point 5 months ago

Do you have any step by step instructions on how you built this and what needs to change? I don't know what to do with some of the stuff added here like the PWN Y Splitter, Low Profile USB, etc. not sure how you used it in this situation. I am pulling the trigger to purchase this exact build.

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 5 months ago

The Y splitter is for the two fans under the GPU, I use it to run both off a single motherboard header. The front panel USB cable in this case has a thick stiff motherboard connector. I used the low profile extension to make the install easier. You can see the case cable and extension in this picture, https://cdn.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/198910.0e637299d96568e0a595ee2c18ffc06a.1600.jpg . When building you'll want to remove the top and bottom case covers. Install the PSU, motherboard and hard drives. Then run the front panel connectors, power supply cable, fan cables and SATA cable. The goal with running these first is to get them routed in such a manner that they are as out of the way as possible. You'll need to use the space between the fans and the center divider to eat up some of the extra cable length from the USB and fan cables. Next run the PSU cables, then install the CPU, memory and heatsink. When installing the GPU you'll likely have a bit of extra length in the power cables, you can feed that slack into the space between the GPU and center divider. If this is your first build I would recommend bench testing before you put it in the case.

michhross 1 point 5 months ago

Amazing rig in such a small space, such a clean layout too! I'm planning on using the very same Node 202 case and the same Seagate 2TB SSHD, but I'm wondering consistently about temps and speed. Is the case still cool enough despite being so small? And how is the speed of the SSHD compared to a standard HDD or SSD?

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 5 months ago

It's cool enough for my purposes, no o/c'ing, but stock performance is fine with these components. If you're looking to put it in your living room I would stress that an open air shelf is a must. It's a little faster than a HDD, the cost/ben on that choice was easy for me, saving 10-15 seconds on a level load isn't worth the cost of a 2TB SSD.

ryan35ramos 1 point 5 months ago

The section for the gpu has enough clearance for case fans underneath it? And fit a 1080ti???

William12345 1 point 4 months ago

HI

frostburn 1 point 18 days ago

clean build ! 10/10!

klwashere1 1 point 15 days ago

odd question but howd the vizio tv work out? any good?

HYPERTiZ 3 Builds 1 point 15 days ago

how loud is the gpu in that case?

xxvolwarexx 3 Builds 1 point 13 days ago

I know I'm late to the party, but sweet build! I'm getting about the same CPU temps (a little lower in the 80s) on extended periods of time with a minor overclock on the i5 8600k. Are you De-lidding?

RAND0M7 2 Builds 0 points 6 months ago

Looks nice,

I personally would have still gone with the EVGA GTX 1080 ti, since the Node 202 looks pretty good with exhausting hot air (Would just be a matter of how big the cooler is, since some 1080ti's need a 3rd slot to compensate for the thicker heatsinks).

The first thing I would do though, is replace those two Noctua case fans with the Fractal Case fans that came with it, I think you will find better temps if you do that, I have tried both Noctua's Industrial 2000rpm case fans and Fractal Designs case fans and Fractals case fans were better in regards to temps.

(Fractal's case fans also voltage control very well too)

And I'm also not sure why you went with sleeved cabling for the PSU when you can't see it. :) Still looks great though. Node 202 was a good choice I think. :)

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

If the GPU side had the same large vent opening as the CPU side did I might have gone with the EVGA.

This one didn't come with fans, I hadn't tried Noctua yet and was really only looking for something that would have a high static pressure and could deliver more airflow than I needed. I tried a few test and their temp benefit hits a limit with them at 1600RPMs, so they never run at full speed. I have them set to run against a thermal sensor I added late, not pictured, and attached to the backside of the GPU.

I didn't like the long stiff cables that came with the PSU, so I only went with a custom kit to get cables at close to the exact lengths I needed them.

monkeybars 1 point 6 months ago

Have you tried just running the one fan that's feeding the radial fan on the GPU? The second fan closest to the GPU IO is just hammering air into a plastic shroud. Not that it would make a huge difference in sound, but I would be surprised if just the one fan made a difference in temps.

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

I probably could of done just the one but then it would look weird. They usually run at a fairly low speed and by the time they're audible, the CPU fan is making more noise.

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Magnumpies 1 Build 2 points 6 months ago

Before you comment, please read the entire description, k thx

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

I would've preferred an SSD for game storage but pirce/GB isn't reasonable yet for 2TB+ drives. If I could've put a 15mm height 2.5" drive in I would've actually gone with the 5TB Seagate so I'm not even happy with the 2TB I ended up with.

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System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

I use externals for low throughput, low activity purposes. I'm not sure what it would be like running a game from an external drive. I could probably get better performance running from a network share off my server at that point. Now I've got to try that.

Zveir 9 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

USB 3.0 has a bandwidth of 5Gbps. Your server and network infrastructure is most likely running off of Gigabit, which is 5x slower in potential bandwidth. If you wanted to, you could get a USB 3.0 SSD and nearly top out its speed with USB 3.0. A USB external drive should serve you well, since it's a full hard drive running in there. Now you know :)

System48 submitter 2 Builds 1 point 6 months ago

An external SSD would still have the same price issues as an internal. The external drives are usually low power, low end 5400RPM drives and a HDD would only saturate the network link on sequential writes and reads. The downside to running off the network is latency. Either way, an external drive wouldn't fit on the shelf I have it on.

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syg101 3 Builds 3 points 6 months ago

haha. u gotta watch those temps, right?

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